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Old June 13th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #1
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I need some help, i bought a LRB M25 receiver off of gun broker and had it shipped to a local FFL who does transfers part time, I wen and picked up my receiver from him with no issues, that is until i found out that he never registered it in my name. I can no longer get into contact with that guy and now have a receiver that i am not sure how to register, can i just bring it to another FFL and ask to register it? what do you guys think i should do?

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Old June 13th, 2017, 01:51 PM   #2
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Not sure I understand your situation?? Picked up at receiving dealer and at that time did you not fill out a 4473 form?? You should not have been able to take possession of the firearm/receiver if you did not fill out the form and have background check, that's the whole purpose of sales through a Federal Lic. dealer. Perhaps I am misunderstanding your situation.

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Old June 13th, 2017, 01:55 PM   #3
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Does the state of Connecticut have a gun registry? People often confuse "registration" and having a background check ran. That being said, you should continue to try to contact the FFL that messed up. He has to check it out of his book, and transfer it to you, and have you fill out the 4473. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when the ATF comes to audit his books... So in short, no. Another FFL cannot help you. It was logged in under the person you had it sent to, they need to do their job correctly.

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If you're talking about registering in CT as an assault weapon, then I don't see the M1A, M14 or any other M14-type rifle listed on the AW list. It may be that you don't need it registered, just transferred via 4473. Being a bare receiver, it can be built to comply with local laws, if I read the regulations correctly.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...lt_weapons.pdf

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Old June 13th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #5
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The peoples republik of MA has a registration portal online. Google is and see if CT.gov has one too. MA 'swears' it's not registration though...it's just...registration.

Just did my XM21 Bula I bought from Jeff a few weeks ago through the MA portal and it was painless. MA has a law that it has to be (not)registered but registered again once the rifle is built and able to shoot those little lead thingies.

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Old June 14th, 2017, 09:11 AM   #6
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Not sure I understand your situation?? Picked up at receiving dealer and at that time did you not fill out a 4473 form?? You should not have been able to take possession of the firearm/receiver if you did not fill out the form and have background check, that's the whole purpose of sales through a Federal Lic. dealer. Perhaps I am misunderstanding your situation.
The issue is i did fill out the 4473 but he apparently never filed it because when i sent the receiver to LRB to get my barrel installed they told me i couldn't pick it up in person because it was still listed as belonging to the previous owner

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If you're talking about registering in CT as an assault weapon, then I don't see the M1A, M14 or any other M14-type rifle listed on the AW list. It may be that you don't need it registered, just transferred via 4473. Being a bare receiver, it can be built to comply with local laws, if I read the regulations correctly.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...lt_weapons.pdf

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Tony, I did fill out the 4473 but it seems he neglected to file it as LRB told me it was not under my name when i brought it to them to have it worked on

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4473's aren't filed into a database. A NICS check is done and noted on the 4473 and that's it. It's weird though because when an FFL gets a firearm, they can't see who bought it last, they only check that it hasn't been reported stolen.

You really need to have them contact the FFL that did the transfer.

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Old June 14th, 2017, 11:03 AM   #9
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This is confusing me, which is easy.
Are you talking about a 4473, (not a registration it just confirms that you can buy a weapon and is not tied to the weapon unless it comes up stolen), a state weapons registration, or a manufacturer warranty registration?

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I'm pretty sure they are talking about the FFLs lack of filing the 4473, in GA you don't leave the building with a weapon until they call the ATF. Unless you have a CWP. The guy with the FFL will most likely loses his license for his lack of being thorough. That is my understanding of this anyway, I could be way off as I'm a bit confused as well.

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I'm pretty sure they are talking about the FFLs lack of filing the 4473, in GA you don't leave the building with a weapon until they call the ATF. Unless you have a CWP. The guy with the FFL will most likely loses his license for his lack of being thorough. That is my understanding of this anyway, I could be way off as I'm a bit confused as well.
4473's aren't filed, unless it's a requirement in CT and I don't know about it. 4473's are kept on the premises and must be held for 5 or 10 years, I think (I've only been an FFL for a year, so I haven't reached that mark yet). A 4473 is never electronically filed or reported unless specifically requested by the ATF. A NICS check is required unless the state determines that a CHL/CWP waives the requirement.

Do you know if he performed a NICS check? Even if he did or didn't, the manufacturer will never know who bought the rifle/receiver. Again, weird.

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Old June 14th, 2017, 12:31 PM   #12
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I live in CT and when I pick up a firearm or purchase one I must fill out a 4473 and my FFL gets on the phone with the ATF to make sure the firearm is not stolen as well as make sure I am approved to take possession of the firearm.

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What happens when they make the phone call? Are they just making sure you aren't a felon? So the ATF has no clue as to what we buy?

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What happens when they make the phone call? Are they just making sure you aren't a felon? So the ATF has no clue as to what we buy?
They check that the buyer is eligible (via SSN and drivers license) or not restricted (under DV or felony charges) and that the firearm/receiver being purchased is not reported stolen.

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Old June 14th, 2017, 12:41 PM   #15
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Your FFL should have called the CT ST police to get a number from them for the transfer, that call would have included the check of the national data base for you before authorization # was issued.
The form DPS-3 would then be filled out and signed by your FFL. All firearm transfers in CT require this form in addition to federal forms. One copy would go to the state police, one to your town of residence you get a copy and you FFL should retain one. There is no registration in our state as " yet " for the M1A type rifles. Any weapons on the CT assault weapons list had to have been registered in the past as there is no transfer of such weapons any longer within our state. Any magazines in excess of 10 rnds needed to be declared and are no longer legal to purchase. Once this ban went into effect a couple of years ago we are ship out of luck for anything considered a no no.
Without a copy of the DPS-3, there is no proof that you " legally" own the receiver.

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