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Old May 11th, 2017, 02:54 PM   #1
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SAI flip flop?

Springfield Armory may have felt the backlash to their actions. Got this email from them, and it appears that their stance is no longer 'nuetral' on this matter. Either that or they're encouraging others to fight the battle while they stay on the sideline.


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Dear friend,

We strongly encourage you to protect your gun rights by filing a Witness Slip for SB-1657. As a resident of Illinois, this is an opportunity to have your voice heard.


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What is a Witness Slip?

A Witness Slip is a person or groupís position on a particular bill. Complete the sections of the form and make sure to indicate you are an opponent of this bill. A Witness Slip can be filed by individuals on behalf of themselves, or on behalf of organizations.

What is SB-1657?

SB-1657 would create onerous mandatory regulations, fees potentially in the thousands of dollars and excessive amounts of red tape that would almost assuredly force the closure of many firearm dealers, and prevent prospective owners from opening new ones.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) already licenses and closely monitors all federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs) and strictly enforces any violation of federal law.


Thank you for your time in this matter and helping protect Illinois gun rights.

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Old May 11th, 2017, 03:03 PM   #2
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They did.

I've seen two posts now on their Book of Faces account.

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This is what we call "Damage Control."

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No disrespect, the only slip I want is an offer to send all mine back for a full refund.
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I got a phone call from Rock River,guy was saying how they got our backs on this one blah ,blah,blah,i told him sounds like a lot of back peddlibg and damage control!!!
Then yesterday the fed ex truck pulls up with a thick envelope,from SAI,its flyers to pass out showing how bad the bill is and now how there totally against it,they make it sound like they have fought this from the beginning,and how pro gun and 2nd ammendment they are,to bad they didnt do this from tbe start,same as RR,more and damage control
I also see both companies putting up ads on gunbroker etc,where were they before all the repurcussion there getting now???

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Old May 12th, 2017, 06:21 AM   #6
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I got a phone call from Rock River,guy was saying how they got our backs on this one blah ,blah,blah,i told him sounds like a lot of back peddlibg and damage control!!!
Then yesterday the fed ex truck pulls up with a thick envelope,from SAI,its flyers to pass out showing how bad the bill is and now how there totally against it,they make it sound like they have fought this from the beginning,and how pro gun and 2nd ammendment they are,to bad they didnt do this from tbe start,same as RR,more and damage control
I also see both companies putting up ads on gunbroker etc,where were they before all the repurcussion there getting now???
I have a funny feeling that they relied on their 'guy' aka lobbyist to 'handle it' and his way of handling it was to get them an exemption. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

IMHO, this is more about keeping gun stores out of Chicago or one of the suburbs that doesn't want them in their community (*cough* Highland Park *cough*)

It could also be used to shut down certain gun stores that are in collar communities and have had some of their guns traced back to gang bangers.
(Even if the initial purchase was legitimate)

The problem is that you have to show that this bill is more about restricting our 2nd Amendment Rights in Illinois than the state's right to control businesses and ensure the safety of the people.

To be clear, I'm not in favor of this bill because I see this as a way to keep gun stores / ranges out of Chicago. Just trying to see both sides of the issue.

If they have enough votes to pass this over a Rauner veto, it will be an instant lawsuit.

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How much longer can these 2 companies spend 50k on a mistake ?
Will SAIs cost more then FAs ?
Will Rock Rivers cost more then Colts ?
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I find it hard to believe they would give a lobbyist the autonomy to make a deal like this on his own. I think SAI is just out of touch with what their customer base is thinking and what's going on with their competition. For example, if you can get a Bula at a VERY competitive price compared to Springfield's cast and foreign sourced stuff, why would they throw another straw on that camel's back and alienate their customer base? With what's available from other manufacturers these days I know I'll never go back and I didn't need something like this to push me away.

Arrogance methinks - like Mark Cuban says, "Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered."

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I got a phone call from Rock River,guy was saying how they got our backs on this one blah ,blah,blah,i told him sounds like a lot of back peddlibg and damage control!!!
Then yesterday the fed ex truck pulls up with a thick envelope,from SAI,its flyers to pass out showing how bad the bill is and now how there totally against it,they make it sound like they have fought this from the beginning,and how pro gun and 2nd ammendment they are,to bad they didnt do this from tbe start,same as RR,more and damage control
I also see both companies putting up ads on gunbroker etc,where were they before all the repurcussion there getting now???
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I find it hard to believe they would give a lobbyist the autonomy to make a deal like this on his own. I think SAI is just out of touch with what their customer base is thinking and what's going on with their competition. For example, if you can get a Bula at a VERY competitive price compared to Springfield's cast and foreign sourced stuff, why would they throw another straw on that camel's back and alienate their customer base? With what's available from other manufacturers these days I know I'll never go back and I didn't need something like this to push me away.

Arrogance methinks - like Mark Cuban says, "Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered."
Sorry?
SAI and RR are buying a service by hiring that company. They are giving a certain amount of autonomy until things go sideways.

They hired him to protect their interests and the git thought he was doing just that. However now they are spending more money to correct his mistake.

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SAI and RR are buying a service by hiring that company. They are giving a certain amount of autonomy until things go sideways.

They hired him to protect their interests and the git thought he was doing just that. However now they are spending more money to correct his mistake.
Has it been proven beyond any doubt, that these 2 companies did not know what was going on. You're sure it is the lobbyist's fault 100%?
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I'm wondering if such lobbyists like that are double agents for the antis like Soros, etc. But I also don't see how you can be that out of touch with a lobbyist you pay a lot of money to.

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SAI and RR are buying a service by hiring that company. They are giving a certain amount of autonomy until things go sideways.

They hired him to protect their interests and the git thought he was doing just that. However now they are spending more money to correct his mistake.
I don't recall which YouTube page had it, but their argument that SAI and RR knew exactly what their company was doing since they were the ones that set up the company in the first place.

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Has it been proven beyond any doubt, that these 2 companies did not know what was going on. You're sure it is the lobbyist's fault 100%?
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What I know or don't know is isn't an issue.

The lobbyist is always going to be the one at fault. He's the one talking to the politicians.

Did RRA and SAI know more and approve of what he did? Were they complicit? I don't know, but I don't think they would have given him detailed instructions versus just telling him to take care of it. I mean its his job.

I find it more plausible that he did what he could to protect his clients and didn't think about the potential blow back. But that's just me....

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I don't recall which YouTube page had it, but their argument that SAI and RR knew exactly what their company was doing since they were the ones that set up the company in the first place.
This one?


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