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M1A in CT - possible good news!

This is a discussion on M1A in CT - possible good news! within the Gun Rights forums, part of the Gun Forum category; Originally Posted by atpa8a Found this http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...lt_weapons.pdf list from Apr 4. Confirms my original theory, no? On the other hand, I'm wondering if a threaded ...


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Old April 9th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #16
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Found this http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...lt_weapons.pdf list from Apr 4.

Confirms my original theory, no?

On the other hand, I'm wondering if a threaded barrel is covered by the following paragraph.


Parts Considered an Assault Weapon in Some Circumstances

The bill also bans (1) a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert semiautomatic (a) centerfire rifles, (b) pistols, (c) shotguns, or (d) firearms into assault weapons and any combination f parts from which such an assault weapon may be assembled if possessed by, or in the possession or under the control of, the same person.


Can I get a certificate from them that I don't need to register my M1A? :P But really... can I go show them the rifle and have them to confirm it's not an AW?

I guess tho that if the gun shops start to sell them, that would be a good indication.

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The threaded barrel language was dropped from the original draft, ( most barrels are threaded at the other end also) threaded muzzle was not in the language. As far as having parts on hand that is unenforceable unless you carrying the rifle and the parts at the same time.

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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:27 AM   #17
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Any idea if the Office of Legislative Research will answer questions from the regular citizens or is it just for the big shots from the Assembly? Wouldn't mind to ask them if they can come up with something regarding the threaded barrels and bayonet lug (might as well ask, right?).

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Parts Considered an Assault Weapon in Some Circumstances

The bill also bans (1) a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert semiautomatic (a) centerfire rifles, (b) pistols, (c) shotguns, or (d) firearms into assault weapons and any combination f parts from which such an assault weapon may be assembled if possessed by, or in the possession or under the control of, the same person.
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IMO, the M14/M1A is now classified as an "assault weapon" under CT law, because of this paragraph and the fact that it has a barrel with a threaded muzzle. Similar to the threaded barrel restriction on pistols.

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Old April 9th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #19
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Yes the M1A has been removed from store shelves. The combination of a removable magazine and a flash suppressor classifies it as an assault rifle.

My guess is the product will need the same treatment as in CA, it will need to be reissued with a welded muzzle brake if at all.

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The Scout model doesn't have a flash suppressor... hence, CA and CT legal.

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Old April 9th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #21
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Neither do the SOCOM models. Those even have a permanently attached muzzle brake so at least OEM models should be legal because the rifle is nonoperational without the gas lock.

The question about threaded barrel really applies mostly to SEI GLFS. I *think* if I don't have a flash hider in possession, it should be legal also.

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Old April 9th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #22
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Any idea if the Office of Legislative Research will answer questions from the regular citizens or is it just for the big shots from the Assembly? Wouldn't mind to ask them if they can come up with something regarding the threaded barrels and bayonet lug (might as well ask, right?).

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Dept. of public safety weapons division in Middletown should give and answer but it would be best to flood the state attorney generals office with all questions. If they get enough unanswerable questions they might put a stay on the law.

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Sec 53-202a part iv of the old assault weapons ban states threaded muzzle. The new ban say threaded muzzle only in the pistol section. I would say with a dummy flash suppressor and no lug the M1A is good to go. If you include the threaded muzzle you still have one feature. We have till Jan 1 2014 to register. Lets not rush into this. I remember back in 1993 the state still accepting registration a full year after the deadline date. I want to see how this plays out. It will be contested in court as a violation of the state and US constitution

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Sec 53-202a part iv of the old assault weapons ban states threaded muzzle. The new ban say threaded muzzle only in the pistol section. I would say with a dummy flash suppressor and no lug the M1A is good to go. If you include the threaded muzzle you still have one feature. We have till Jan 1 2014 to register. Lets not rush into this. I remember back in 1993 the state still accepting registration a full year after the deadline date. I want to see how this plays out. It will be contested in court as a violation of the state and US constitution
My whole confusion is because the new one only states "threaded muzzle" for pistols. So I can have a compensator on the threaded gas lock, just not the flash suppressor.

I agree that we wait. Checked with the FFL through whom I purchased the rifle if they filed the DSP3. He said they did. So the govt has the record anyway. Just means that the only thing I win if it's not an AW, is the registration fee and the hassle to register it every year. And since the govt already have the trail, I don't know if it's even worth the risk that some cop will not be aware it's not an AW and make a lot trouble for me. Even tho it'll all be resolved to my favor.

Another thing that I'm confused about is what irritates me the most - that they disregard the basic rights of people or that they think they can with one signature make a lot of good people into criminals!

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My whole confusion is because the new one only states "threaded muzzle" for pistols. So I can have a compensator on the threaded gas lock, just not the flash suppressor.

I agree that we wait. Checked with the FFL through whom I purchased the rifle if they filed the DSP3. He said they did. So the govt has the record anyway. Just means that the only thing I win if it's not an AW, is the registration fee and the hassle to register it every year. And since the govt already have the trail, I don't know if it's even worth the risk that some cop will not be aware it's not an AW and make a lot trouble for me. Even tho it'll all be resolved to my favor.

Another thing that I'm confused about is what irritates me the most - that they disregard the basic rights of people or that they think they can with one signature make a lot of good people into criminals!


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It is my understanding the DPS-414-C REV 4/13 form is a one time registration as it was before ,not an annual registration. If you choose to sell the registered firearm the dealer fills out another form and sends it to DPS along with the surrendered DPS-414-C. The dealer the has to sell the firearm out of state.

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What do you guys thing about JAE and Archangel being legal in CT?

any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;"

I say no finger other then trigger finger is directly below the action. Or are they considered telescoping stocks?

Obviously open to interpretation, but what's your opinion?

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Old April 11th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #27
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I think this list from DESPP confirms our hopes about M1A!

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...lt_weapons.pdf

Look at the Mini-14 entry - it's "folding stock model only"!

Does anyone see M1As in gun shops yet?

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Old April 19th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #28
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One of the local gun shop owners told me yesterday that he has some Mini-14s on order. Could be that some variants of the M1A will not be "assault weapons".

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Another gun shop owner told me he sold a SOCOM 16 last week! You never know but he looked neither like a criminal nor like a stupid guy...

Told me if I ordered a barreled action he'd be happy to transfer it to me...

What do you think?

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I bet the FFL are getting guidance from the state DOJ. Here in ca the m1a in standard stock is kosher with a 20 rd mag becuase it has no pistol grip as long as you keep a ca legal suppressor on it. Put an evil GI flash hider or a pistol grip stock and you have "made" an assault weapon. Unless you get a lame bullet button BS I know but the law is the law until we change it or move. We have a bunch of good groups here fighting this bs in court. Calguns foundation is one o the main ones. I strongly encourage your locals to start a similar group and maybe even contact them for guidance on how to fight them legally. Good luck.

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