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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:08 PM   #16
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No offense to fellow LDS(I'm assuming most of you Utah posters are) but how does a solid red state like UTAH end up with such flaky governors?

The WV guy is right "All is NOT well in Zion!!"

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:12 PM   #17
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No offense to fellow LDS(I'm assuming most of you Utah posters are) but how does a solid red state like UTAH end up with such flaky governors?

The WV guy is right "All is NOT well in Zion!!"
You have to realize Morman population is just over half and on the decline. I am not, just married one.

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And that attitude is exactly why we as gun enthusiasts keep loosing legislative actions, you are part of the problem.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:44 PM   #19
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You have to realize Morman population is just over half and on the decline. I am not, just married one.
You have to admit though, the influence they have had on Utah has made it a great place to live. While I'm not LDS either, and like you, I married into a LDS family - I say, more power to them. They're influence has kept Utah a great place to live with a strong sense of community. In fact, i would be concerned if they lose that influence upon the state.

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Back on topic, I'm split on constitutional carry. I believe two things simultaneously , and they are somewhat contradictory.

1.) I believe in the right to keep and bear arms.

2.) I also believe the class I attended for my permit was a very good thing to take. I felt much better informed, am glad I took it, and I don't think it's a bad idea at all for people taking a similar class before carrying a sidearm. Don't misconstrue me for being "pro permit", but more like "pro training". An untrained and uninformed individual who does something stupid out of ignorance is going to give the gun grabbers more ammo.

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:48 PM   #20
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Thats an easy answer. For it. Have a nice collection, CCW and tactical firearms course to prove it. I just wouldnt be all that broken up if that law gets passed or not. Either way I'm covered. I dont have to bitch and moan about having to carry a unloaded pistol. I dont have to to $#@%^%# whine when I have to leave my pistol in the car when I pick up my kids. So what else? Got anything else to teach me?
Nothing new I guess. So long as you are fine with having to not only ask for permission but to pay a fee to do what the 2nd Amendment already covers.

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:50 PM   #21
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No offense to fellow LDS(I'm assuming most of you Utah posters are) but how does a solid red state like UTAH end up with such flaky governors?

The WV guy is right "All is NOT well in Zion!!"
Just like other states, there is a large voting populace within Salt Lake itself that is filled with Liberal Progressives.

Huntsman was a Progressive Republican, so is Herbert.

Hopefully we can get a Conservative in office soon.
We just went through a redistricting, so hopefully that helps out.

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++1 If you aren't part of the Solution, you ARE part of the problem !
I have sent my fare share of letters, emails and phone calls to Utahs reps in our behaf. I teach my chilren or 6/7 gun safety. I am far from the problem so get off my back.

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:00 PM   #23
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"First they came for blank, but I did not speak out because I wasn't blank........" --(I paraphrased)Martin Niemöller

We need to stand together on all this and keep to an approach that is progressing our rights. A better tactic is one that involves keeping out of the corner and reduces the amount of times we need to come out of the corner swinging as apathy guarantees. Just my two cents.

I am not insinuating that anyone here is not proactive, but sometimes a comment can hit a cord with me.

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It can still go back to the house for a vote to push it as law, and override the Veto.
That's what has been happening in AR. R majority in legislature and D governor. Maybe they will override

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:30 PM   #25
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coyote764 I think it just came across as "if it doesn't affect what I am doing then give it to them to appease them so my life won't be affected."

Problem is it has reached the point where we cannot give anything to them. I think from the national level to the local level the line has been drawn in the sand over this issue.

To give you an idea of what I am saying, I was in a fun store the other day, one I have purchased a lot of things from over the years including a couple of firearms. While I was looking over the gun rack I overheard a conversation between 2 customers and two salesmen. They were talking about all the new laws being proposed and the topic of universal registration came up.

Long story short the two salesmen said that they and the owner of the store were in favor of registration for every sale. It started getting a little heated and one of the salesmen actually said, "Well if they all have to be registered we make more money."

I walked out of that store and will not shop there again. Anyone willing to give up either their or others freedom for profit, security, or lifestyle is.....well, let us just say Karma is a bitch.



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I dont have to agree with every legislation thrown out there just to call myself a
gun enthusiast or advocate. If I did just to be on the right side of the street, id be a hypocrit.
As far as I'm concerned you are a hypocrite. You can't possibly consider yourself a gun advocate if you agree with limiting the free exercise of our right to carry a firearm. You're typical of so many people, you redefine words and concepts to fit your emotional baggage and think that your perception is truth and that everybody else should have to accept your beliefs as fact.

A right is a preexisting thing that we are born with. We have sole possession of these rights. Since these rights are ours nobody should have the ability to take them away by dictating how we can use them. The right to possess a firearm is an enumerated right in our Constitutional Bill of Rights. Nobody should be able to tell us how we can possess a firearm as long as we don't use it to infringe on the rights of others. Until I'm convicted of having used a firearm to deprive others of their rightful claims (life, liberty, property, etc.) I should be allowed to possess/carry a firearm in any manner I choose.

If you don't see the logic and justice in that reasoning then you aren't even close to being an advocate of gun rights, you're just another shill of the anti-gunners, a so called pro-gunner that is being manipulated by the very people who will eventually violate your perception of your reasonable gun rights. And when they do, there will be nobody left to help you resist because the rest of us will have been defeated long before due to the ignorance and apathy of people like you.

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:06 PM   #27
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As far as I'm concerned you are a hypocrite. You can't possibly consider yourself a gun advocate if you agree with limiting the free exercise of our right to carry a firearm. You're typical of so many people, you redefine words and concepts to fit your emotional baggage and think that your perception is truth and that everybody else should have to accept your beliefs as fact.

A right is a preexisting thing that we are born with. We have sole possession of these rights. Since these rights are ours nobody should have the ability to take them away by dictating how we can use them. The right to possess a firearm is an enumerated right in our Constitutional Bill of Rights. Nobody should be able to tell us how we can possess a firearm as long as we don't use it to infringe on the rights of others. Until I'm convicted of having used a firearm to deprive others of their rightful claims (life, liberty, property, etc.) I should be allowed to possess/carry a firearm in any manner I choose.

If you don't see the logic and justice in that reasoning then you aren't even close to being an advocate of gun rights, you're just another shill of the anti-gunners, a so called pro-gunner that is being manipulated by the very people who will eventually violate your perception of your reasonable gun rights. And when they do, there will be nobody left to help you resist because the rest of us will have been defeated long before due to the ignorance and apathy of people like you.
You are sadly mistaken sir. I for one is smart enough to know that we cant win every battle. The issue here is that I am not crying over a veto for extended rights to our state constitution. For once someone isnt trying to take from me but give. It fell short for now. Dont talk to me as if you know me or "people like me"

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Old March 22nd, 2013, 04:11 PM   #28
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How quaint..... we allow open carry, but it must be unloaded. Now isn't that the dumbest thing I ever heard? Wait.... I'm sorry I HAVE heard dumber things...some states don't even allow owning guns well at least the ones that can shoot more than once.

Not chambered is different than not loaded. You can make your pistol chambered pretty fast. The biggest benefit is when the weather is bad or wind blowing dust you can legally cover your gun up and not be illegal. Gov in Utah is beholding to the teachers unions and is working to keep them happy.

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Thats an easy answer. For it. Have a nice collection, CCW and tactical firearms course to prove it. I just wouldnt be all that broken up if that law gets passed or not. Either way I'm covered. I dont have to bitch and moan about having to carry a unloaded pistol. I dont have to to $#@%^%# whine when I have to leave my pistol in the car when I pick up my kids. So what else? Got anything else to teach me?
So the 2A is in place for you to acquire a collection of firearms and get permission for a state approved CCW????

You sound like another collector that prefers to let others do the heavy lifting of advocating for our rights that have been eroded away.

Nice attitude, along with the rest of your condescending post. But hey, enjoy your collection. After all, that's what the 2A is all about

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How I feel about the second amendant is probally going to give me a lot of grief.
I believe there should be no law about weapons possision,carry or ownership. The one exception would be proven mentally ill people.
The second says their should be no infringement and I believe what it says. All these laws about weapons including full autos are unconstitional.
If everyone remembers their history the right is so ingrained in our way of life that when felons were released from prison their weapons were returned to them.
This didn't start to change untill they banned alchole -another liberal feel good law- and the gangsters started blowing away everyone with their BAR's and 1927 A 1's.
So I think you are not required to have a nics check,get a ccw or any other infringments on our right's.
I also believe we have to fight in every state like it was our own state or these so called laws will be every where and you will no longer have your M1A to shoot or hunt with. You will have to use rocks.
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