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Old February 6th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #1
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What is causing ammo shortage?

Until recently I was in the loop in regards to buying and selling for an Gun Store. What I am seeing in regards to shortgages in Ammo, Primers, Powder, Brass, and Bullets doesn't make any sense. After talking to some of our reps it has become more confusing. Especially when one major ammo mfg. rep says they have filled the allocated government order. My sources say that Academy, Sports South, Cabella's and Bass Pro are their biggest customers. I would have thought Walmart was a big player but he said no.

Big Sporting Goods store around the Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex are now handing out numbers to people standing in line to buy ammo and limit your purchase to 3 boxes. NO BULK BUYS !

I had spotters in Texas and Oklahoma who would go to various stores and find ammo. They tell me now that the ammo supply is 95% gone in every store.

No 22RF, 223, 9mm, 45ACP, 308 (except for $45.00 a box for 20 rounds)

Occasionaly they will find .22mag or 17HMR and 20ga. No 12 ga.

Now if the ammo mfg's are running 100% - 7 days a week - 24 hours a day
where is all this stuff going?

At the recent Shot Show they said they were 1.4 billions rounds behind and if you ordered a case of 9mm today you would get it next year about this same
time.

I SMELL A RAT !

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Old February 6th, 2013, 11:55 AM   #2
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you smell a rat?


Where ya been......there have been over 2 million new firearms purchases since december

That means theres equally that many ammo purchases and typically a bulk purchase....not to mention current firearms owners who also purchased ammunition without a gun purchase.

I think if you think something else is going on thats bigger than that.........you need to come up with a better story


When businesses sell in a month a years worth of stock its gonna cause a huge shortage.

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #3
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Numbers released (NICS checks) per a report yesterday stated fewer firearm sales in January breaking a record string of monthly sales/checks.

Surprise Stores are wiped out!

As far as ammo I checked via person at WMT today and their telxon showed warehouse outs for multiple calibers...thats not only out of stock at retail thats the warehouse has none at all.

On the conspiracy side of things - FUBO and Biden reportedly spoke with major retailers and could have planted the seed to clamp down on sales.... ?

At this time could be plausible - FUBO and lessers-in-command can apparently kill American Citizens and the press is ok with it...I am losing my face as time passes....

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #4
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I blame all the new guns buyers who needed ammo for there stuff. And I blame the people who already had guns and went into panic buying mode for ammo. I've got enough ammo to shoot my guns like i normally do for about 2 years worth of shooting. Thats plinking ammo, I have another stash of self defense ammo... but thats just "incase". So im gonna hang out and hopefully by this time next year there will be more ammo available. If not then i guess ill just limit how much i shoot until it all gets back to normal.

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Old news

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:28 PM   #6
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Now if the ammo mfg's are running 100% - 7 days a week - 24 hours a day
where is all this stuff going?
Everyone's stockpiling out of fear of future government regulation.


It's my experience, that whatever i thought of, there is a ton of people doing the same. ANYTHING firearms related is sold or selling out. Nevermind the lack of inventory of firearms or ammo,

Ammo cans? Checked. Local surplus stores inventory of 50 cal ammo cans are gone.
Gun safe? Checked. Local stores, sold out.
Reloading supplies? Checked. Primers, powders, and bullets in bulk, are gone. I heard either Dillon or Hornady is backordered for 8 months.


You name it, there's been a run on it.

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #7
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Numbers released (NICS checks) per a report yesterday stated fewer firearm sales in January breaking a record string of monthly sales/checks.

Surprise Stores are wiped out!

As far as ammo I checked via person at WMT today and their telxon showed warehouse outs for multiple calibers...thats not only out of stock at retail thats the warehouse has none at all.

On the conspiracy side of things - FUBO and Biden reportedly spoke with major retailers and could have planted the seed to clamp down on sales.... ?

At this time could be plausible - FUBO and lessers-in-command can apparently kill American Citizens and the press is ok with it...I am losing my face as time passes....


That is exactly what I am talking about !

My sources also tell me that the distributors warehouses are empty and they don't know when they will receive product from the mfg.

Tywest: I don't know about you but I don't know of anyone who can buy direct from the factory. The mfg's are producing millions of rounds per day and it is
not showing up in the AUTHORIZED distributor's warehouse.

Maybe the employees are hoarding it or the truck broke down.

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Everyone's stockpiling out of fear of future government regulation.


It's my experience, that whatever i thought of, there is a ton of people doing the same. ANYTHING firearms related is sold or selling out. Nevermind the lack of inventory of firearms or ammo,
Ammo cans? Checked. Local surplus stores inventory of 50 cal ammo cans are gone.
Gun safe? Checked. Local stores, sold out.
Reloading supplies? Checked. Primers, powders, and bullets in bulk, are gone. I heard either Dillon or Hornady is backordered for 8 months.
You name it, there's been a run on it.
Exactly!
I was on the phone with Brownells this week...asking what the heck happened to all the AR-15 'Wooden Furniture'?
How can THAT be all sold out?
I asked---Is the manufacturer still in business? Do you really have 'more on the way'? Should I really bother to B/O?
Yes, Yes, Yes.
I asked WHY in the world are AR-15 WOODEN STOCKS...Out Of Stock?
The Guy Said---EVERYTHING Is Out Of Stock!
Guys(like Me, I guess!? ) are going down their list of things they may want somewhere down the road and trying to order it NOW!
Also, talking to my bud at the LGS(3 store chain here)...more of the same, they have huge orders in, no one is telling them they Won't Get Them...Just That It's Gonna Take Time To Catch Up!

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I know one thing for sure when it comes to modern manufacturing processes, that there is always a way to add capacity to a manufacturing process. But with that being said...suppose suddenly that all the inventory available to the public suddenly gets bought up in a week or two due to a panic. Maybe a couple billion rounds. I think it would probably be very difficult for the suppliers to catch up to the new found demand.

A little fun math here, just for kicks.

I'm estimating that based on the number of guns owned and let's just say the average person shoots 50 rnds per year. This number may not apply to many of us on the forum but for the guy who buys a pistol and puts it in his dresser never to see the light of day again, that's probably a decent starting point. The estimated number of guns owned by Americans is 270,000,000. That's 270,000,000 guns x 50 rnds = 13.5 billion rnds (let's say every gun owner wants 50 rnds per gun owned). Next let's pretend every gun owner wants 2 boxes of ammo. Now we're at 27 billion rounds worth of demand.

Those numbers might be high but cut them in half and the demand probably still far outpaces the ability of the manufacturers to fill orders. I don't know how much ammo the big manufacturers (Lake City, Winchester, Federal, etc) can produce each day, but I guess it would be close to 1,000,000 rounds per day per factory. So maybe 10,000,000 rnds per day are being produced. Divide that into 13.5 billion rnds and you get a lead time of 1,350 days until all that ammo is produced.

Even if my numbers are off by a large margin, the lead time could still be a year to catch up to demand. Feel free to add to or tell me I'm full of it. Either way, in my opinion, I'm never wrong.

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:44 PM   #10
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It is going away because people are buying it. Don't see what you can't understand. 10's of thousands of new gunowners and millions of existing owners stocking up. Happened 4 years ago. Took a year plus to work through system. You are already seeing prices of semi-auto rifles begin to fall. Manufactures can not gear up fast enough to feed the demand - do you honestly think they would not just jack up price and put it out there if they had it. This problem is going to hurt the small gun shops once again they sold off inventory and have no replacement so no business.

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Tell me about it, primers, brass, bullets, powder, reloading presses, pins, springs, grips, even manuals, are GONE.

It's a great thing that so many people are stocking up cause all those people aren't going to spend a fortune and then just turn them in when such legislation is passed. Good to see that people are finally waking up to the need for guns and ammo readily at hand for a moments notice.......

It is bad for those of us that buy and sell such things regularly, but it will pass.

I hope.

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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #12
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Everyone is still panic buying and stockpiling. People are waiting outside stores here on delivery day before the doors open. The line at the last gun show was over 3 hours, the line to get in was 2 hours. Everyone I overheard in line was there to get ammo.
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I am sorry I didn't mean to buy it all. I was in line at the store and it was on the shelf right next to the cashier, let's call it an impulse buy and leave it at that. I am so ashamed......

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I am sorry I didn't mean to buy it all. I was in line at the store and it was on the shelf right next to the cashier, let's call it an impulse buy and leave it at that. I am so ashamed......
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I am sorry I didn't mean to buy it all. I was in line at the store and it was on the shelf right next to the cashier, let's call it an impulse buy and leave it at that. I am so ashamed......
THAT'S IT!


I figured as much. Some rich guy from up North taking unfair advantage of us poor folks

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