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Old January 29th, 2013, 03:05 PM   #1
 
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40% of gun sales no background ck??

Just incase anyone wanted to include in letters to your reps.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?p=757013

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Old January 29th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #2
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Maybe they are including all the Fast and Furious straw transfers. I have to say I've bought lots of guns in my life and had a background check on each and every one.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #3
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Maybe they are including all the Fast and Furious straw transfers. I have to say I've bought lots of guns in my life and had a background check on each and every one.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #4
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if there is no check, how do they do the math to know that 40% of all sales have... no....check?

just call me dense or obtuse or whatever but....?

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Old February 12th, 2013, 04:35 PM   #5
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if there is no check, how do they do the math to know that 40% of all sales have... no....check?

just call me dense or obtuse or whatever but....?
The bogus stats were based on SURVEYS!

And Creative Math!

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Old February 12th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #6
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facts don't lie ,but liars can use facts . thats what i was taught ,in my experience very little guns sales are via private sale at guns shows.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #7
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The bogus stats were based on SURVEYS!

And Creative Math!

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Don't give me too much flack, but the number might be close to right. Over half of the weapons I have purchased in my life came from face to face sales. Just like cars, most folks looking to sell a gun don't go back to the dealer. Instead they want the best price and sell it directly to some one either through a word of mouth sale, or an ad in hte local rag. granted, most papers won't carry a gun ad anymore. I've bought three in the last year through dealers, and all the rest via direct sales on either craigs list, armslist, or one of the other fire arm friendly on line advertisers.
My AR purchases alone run three to five and my M1As are one each way. heck, of my shotguns, only three came from dealers in the last five years.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #8
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Same here. Every handgun I have ever bought from a dealer or private party had to go through a background check and a 10 wait

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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #9
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Don't give me too much flack, but the number might be close to right. Over half of the weapons I have purchased in my life came from face to face sales. Just like cars, most folks looking to sell a gun don't go back to the dealer. Instead they want the best price and sell it directly to some one either through a word of mouth sale, or an ad in hte local rag. granted, most papers won't carry a gun ad anymore. I've bought three in the last year through dealers, and all the rest via direct sales on either craigs list, armslist, or one of the other fire arm friendly on line advertisers.
My AR purchases alone run three to five and my M1As are one each way. heck, of my shotguns, only three came from dealers in the last five years.
But The Point IS---

They make that 40% Sound Like It's CRIMINAL!
Like Folks Don't Have A Right To Buy From Family, From Friends, From Neighbors...
Like...If You DIDN'T Buy Through An FFL---And Complete a Form 4473, And Undergo A New Background Check Each And Every Time...You Must Have Done So With A Nefarious Motive!
I Don't Believe That.
I have Bought from friends, Sold to friends, and Neighbors..
Inherited Guns, Passed Guns on to my kids, etc., etc....

HOW IS THAT WRONG?

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Pure and simple, the easiest way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be to cut off the criminals hands.
What I am saying is we have gone way to saft on crime. We lock them up longer but make the prison life easier. We need to make prison sentences short, harsh, and something to be feared.
First time felons should get a good horse whipping as part of their punishment, no exceptions. Second time offenders should be castrated, and maybe emasculated. That would give all the inner city hoodlums who consider prison as a badge of honor pause. Their women would not be interested in men who cannot ather children or sate their sexual lusts. For women that should be a historectomy.
Third time offenders should get executed. No use wasteing food and monsy on scum who will never agree to being a procuctive part of society.

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Pure and simple, the easiest way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be to cut off the criminals hands.
What I am saying is we have gone way to saft on crime. We lock them up longer but make the prison life easier. We need to make prison sentences short, harsh, and something to be feared.
First time felons should get a good horse whipping as part of their punishment, no exceptions. Second time offenders should be castrated, and maybe emasculated. That would give all the inner city hoodlums who consider prison as a badge of honor pause. Their women would not be interested in men who cannot ather children or sate their sexual lusts. For women that should be a historectomy.
Third time offenders should get executed. No use wasteing food and monsy on scum who will never agree to being a procuctive part of society.
That all sounds great, unless it's YOU who gets wrongly convicted.

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The survey was conducted in 1993 and 1994 just before the Brady Bill and was released in 1997 using the responses of 251 people. Washington Post has a Fact Checker Column that blows this BS out of the water and exposes it for the crap it is.

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But The Point IS---

They make that 40% Sound Like It's CRIMINAL!
Like Folks Don't Have A Right To Buy From Family, From Friends, From Neighbors...
Like...If You DIDN'T Buy Through An FFL---And Complete a Form 4473, And Undergo A New Background Check Each And Every Time...You Must Have Done So With A Nefarious Motive!
I Don't Believe That.
I have Bought from friends, Sold to friends, and Neighbors..
Inherited Guns, Passed Guns on to my kids, etc., etc....

HOW IS THAT WRONG?

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Hey CAVman, I was only addressing the raw numbers. 100% of criminals do not obtain their guns through dealers. They either use a straw buyer or steal it. All the back ground checks in the world aint gonna change that. the system we have now keeps the crooks out of the gun shops, so why bother altering it?
If the fudds decide to require background checks on every purchace, the criminals would still find a way to get guns. the only ones who would be impacted would be us.
So you have a few guns, and have fallen on hard times. as a means of financing your life, you decide to sell one or two from your collection. If you advert them on gun broker, you can make a nice sale. Same for armslist, or Nex-tech and Craigslist. If you take it to the local pawn dealer, yo uwill be lucky to get 1/2 of its true worth, and if its a cheaper gun like a Marlin 22, maybe 1/4.
I would have no problem with background checks on certain types of guns in certain areas. For example, sales of semi auto pistols in Chcago. EXCEPT that I do not trust the government any more. When I was a kid and stupid, I trusted them, but by the time I was 18, I had lost faith in government. Even after serving 21 years in the military, working as a cop, a mayor, and as a local judge, I still saw no reason to trust those in government, in fact it was those experiences that reinforced my belief they were not to be trusted.
I feel that it is the choice of he person making a sale to decide if he wants to keep a record.
When I sell a gun, I either know the person I am selling to, or I get some kind of proof they are not not allowed to own a firearm. I do not keep a record because I do not trust the likes of what is in Washington at this time.

All I was addressing was the fact that smart people don't sell at a loss if they can help it. I expect that more then 40% of us don't want to lose money on our investments.

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That all sounds great, unless it's YOU who gets wrongly convicted.
One way to handle that is to allow lie detector testing of any witness whom either side wishes to challenge. IMHO, if a cop knowingly lies in court or otherwise, he should receive the same punishment as the criminal.
Mistakes happen in any court system. Ours, as flawed as it is, is the best in the world. Inocent men have been convicted in every nation and every time. Heck, a fellow who was totally innocent was executed in what has to be the most famous wrongful conviction in history. It was a kangaroo court of the worst kind. But you know what? I'm glad they executed him. he needed to die.

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I may reconsider my opposition to background checks, IF the government first applies the exact same standards to voter registration AND those who seek public office! All "rights" should be equal, n'est-ce pas?

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