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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #151
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Half the country is not in favour of gun control, far from that.
Small, but very vocal, strategically placed and well financed part of the country is in favour of gun control.
Polls demonstrate that far less than 1/2 of USA population is in favour of gun control, and remember - most polls occur within walking distance of the polling company, i.e. in downtown core. If any of the pollsters bothered driving into the boonies, they would have gotten different numbers.

"Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?"

Should be Should not be Unsure
% % %
12/19-22/12 24 74 2

74% of Americans said no gun ban. Amen to that.
Thanks for that good news and the clarification---Hopefully the politicians see it to.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #152
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If you get that dreaded knock on the door @ 3am you're already dead man. Ruby Ridge, Waco, you can bet this administration will follow the same script.
I know a certain someone will weigh in on this.





Next,

Matt Bracken has penned an excellent essay to "Mr Security Agent":

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpres...ecurity-agent/ (LINK)

Dear Mr. Security Agent, let me spell it out. If you find yourself in the sub-basement of an annex to a secret intelligence center on the far end of town, waterboarding citizens into revealing the locations of suspected “illegal caches” of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legally owned in 2012, then know this one simple fact: tens of millions of Americans will most surely consider you a betrayer of your sworn oath and a traitor to your country.

And so, if you find yourself silently dismounting a covert SWAT vehicle at zero-dark-thirty, dressed all in body armor, counting down to the time-coordinated explosion of battering rams and flash-bang grenades, on a raid against a sleeping household intended to result in the confiscation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legal to own in 2012, millions of Americans who also swore an oath to defend the Constitution will consider you their domestic enemy, and they will resist you with force of arms. Just as the soldiers of King George were resisted on another notable gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775. It used to be called “The Shot Heard ’Round the World.”


Lastly,

Owens spells it out:

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/let-it-begin-here/ (LINK)

..."I can chart the path forward for no other man, but I will contest to their last breaths the desires of petty tyrants and their co-conspirators if they cross this red line that determines that the soap box, ballot box, and jury box have failed, and that the cartridge box is our last resort.

I will go to my death if this time comes to pass, orphaning and widowing those I hold most dear. For that I am truly regretful, just as I regret the lives I must attempt to cut short so that my children will breathe free. I know that in my sights will be another mother’s son or daughter, likely with children of their own. But they will have made their choice of whom to serve, and I have made mine.

There is no desire for bloodshed in my heart, but if they want a war, let it begin here".

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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #153
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Safeway is offering $50.00 shopping coupons for every gun turned in. I'm offering $75.00!
HAHA. THATS funny.

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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:39 AM   #154
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I had some serious discussions with my co workers yesterday and we all agree that currents events isn't all about a second Civil War, its more appropriately a Revolutionary War.

Its not about slavery, supplies of cotton or tobacco, no its about out of control laws of the government and the stripping away of our rights and freedom.

All of us, of course some prefer to be controlled but a whole lot more are willing to fight organized or not.

Funny thing is what with the internet and instant information anyone can download insurrection tactics or info of historical places where guerrilla warfare or resistance prevailed. Like in Afghanistan. Or how the French Resistance dealt with an occupied France.

But the real problem is people wanting to organize per the legal requirements stated in the Constitution of a well trained militia.

And the feds are staking out all the existing militias and working overtime to suppress the startup of local elected militia leaders.

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Oh yeah, and when they're not surfing internet porn sites the feds are monitoring forums like this for anyone posting what they might consider threatening or anti-gov't rhetoric. Words and phrases such as "confiscation" and "executive order" are purposely being used to see if there's any increase in "chatter" on various forums and message boards. It's classic psych-ops kinda stuff but thanks to all the blabbermouths in the media that spilled the beans on the CIA we know the game. Matt Bracken is awesome.


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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:52 AM   #156
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Oh yeah, and when they're not surfing internet porn sites the feds are monitoring forums like this for anyone posting what they might consider threatening or anti-gov't rhetoric.
Nothing could be finer! It's about time they started paying notice and their rectums contracted.
Up till now they've been in a comfort zone with doing anything they wanted to us.

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Old January 10th, 2013, 06:48 AM   #157
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Poor Analogy Re: the video

In regards to the Video


As per his anology with Maximus etc. etc. I am not a general. I do not have legions sworn to me (I hope he does, doesent he??). Also as per the movie, that was done in a
tent with one other person, with a monarchy as a Govt. "Changing" the direction of this country from Socialism to what we once were may not EVER happen, As witnessed in the current election. With Dems/socialist on one side and Repubs/rinos on the other
Well, perhaps you see what I do. Such a plan as "kissing the ring" would just end me up (and my family) into some "political Gulag". I have no delusions, I live in New York, so, I am screwed. Even tho I will bet there will be those in this state who WILL resist
and the Govt. media will paint that person as a (pick one) Nut, anti-American, insurrectionist etc. and half the country will applaud the "brave" Fed agents for "taking him down"
I have a half ass SHTF plan, it was planned for a foreign invasion. (generally it was
to get to a Free state where folks think like me) I have recently blew the dust off the file and reviewed it. I will peaceably exit this state and fight (not neccesarily physically)
from there. And if SUCESSION is the answer (i actually believe that is the answer),
That would be my Political plan. I firmly believe the Dems should obey (and PAY FOR)
laws passed by Dems. The reverse being true for Repubs, you Independants.......You Obey AND pay for all. If you really think about this last statement the Dem party would be cut in half in 5 years No Oil,Fracking, Guns,large soda, electric cars only please
Windmills....yes, Govt healthcare, of cour$e Solar energy and this "gone wild EPA
will be sending "Agents" into your home to be sure YOU are compliant. Its just a dream
of course

The "soft tyranny" is coming to an end.

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If you get that dreaded knock on the door @ 3am you're already dead man. Ruby Ridge, Waco, you can bet this administration will follow the same script.
Then take as many with you as you can.

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Old January 11th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #159
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Oh yeah, and when they're not surfing internet porn sites the feds are monitoring forums like this for anyone posting what they might consider threatening or anti-gov't rhetoric. Words and phrases such as "confiscation" and "executive order" are purposely being used to see if there's any increase in "chatter" on various forums and message boards. It's classic psych-ops kinda stuff but thanks to all the blabbermouths in the media that spilled the beans on the CIA we know the game. Matt Bracken is awesome.
You'll enjoy his latest then:

http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013...your-guns.html

I posted this elsewhere, but I like it, so here it is. All of my stuff you feel has merit, please feel free to repost or clip anything I write, with or w/o attribution, I could not care any less about that. If my words are ammo, "Fire for effect."

Here it is.

Stick to your guns, no matter what. If they come to take them by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was on another big gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775. If it was legal in 2012, it's legal in 2013 and it will be forever. If they say otherwise, they are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

If you are disarmed and led away in cuffs, are you so sure you’ll be bailed out? And not taken to a “new place” with “new rules”?

Every survivor of every genocide says the same: when they come to take your guns, shoot them. Make them work for it, and THEIR system is overwhelmed, because they don’t have 20 million FLEAs to do armed battles all over the country, instead of nice polite arrest raids like those that that Glen "Ghandi" Beck envisions, with the NRA lawyers throwing your bail and suing the pants off the .gov.

It’s like the Solzhenitzn paragraph “how we burned later in the camps” because they didn’t resist the GRU/KGB in the lobbies and stairwells with axes and knives.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that public safety demanded they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so they were disarmed, but not the Party members! Then came the purges, the Great Terror, the gulags, and tens of millions of dead. So well preserved was the fiction, that most Russians, when arrested, thought, "Gee, there must be some mistake. I haven't done anything wrong. They'll let me go in a few hours." (Wrong anwer.)

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. govt. This trust is invariably fatal. The German gun registration laws and limits on “military” weapons (then, Mausers etc) were put in in the 1920s Weimar Republic,years before Hitler.

They were all common sense and reasonable gun control laws, I’m sure today’s liberals would agree 100%. Then Hitler comes along, and uses the list to first disarm, and then ghetto-ize or “deport” and finally gas the Jews and others, killing millions.

Genocide, using the “common sense” gun registration lists to locate their most dangerous enemies. But first, they just come to pick up the weapons. "No trouble, foks!" They come for the mass arrests later, when the people are disarmed.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up this way, when the German police only needed a 1-10 ratio to thier victims. 100 German military police, 4-fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, would round up and murder a town of a thousand. Force them to gather, then march groups at gunpoint into the woods for execution. A 1-10 ratio means the killer police are not worried at all. The victims were all disarmed. If they were armed, every village would requre a major military effort.

I’m sorry, I do NOT trust that our .gov won’t turn as mean as the old USSR to its “class enemies,” the MSM's duly appointed scapegoats, us white racist tea-party terrorists, the bitter clingers.

Folks, they perceive that we are reactionary forces not only standing in the way of social progress and liberal utopia, we are actively blocking it. That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for utopia is pure Good. That means they will come to feel totally justified in seeking a “final solution to the bitter clinger question.”

And once their mortal enemies (that's us) are disarmed and helpless...the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Bill Ayers thought they would need to murder 10% of the population to achieve their utopa.

As it was with the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalens, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history's lesson is clear:

STICK TO YOUR GUNS!

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Old January 11th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #160
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I bet a whole hecjk of a lot people will not just wait sitting around in fear of a 3am knock, a quiet takedown at your gun free job or school or a planned road stop. Some people are actually hoping they come down in force like doing another Waco, seriously I get the feeling people are hoping to defend their homes or setting up a surprise party.

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Seriously, most of us live in the houses, where front door can not only be easily kicked in - it can be pushed in with one hand. The standard wooden/vinil door frames sold at the hardware stores for around $200 are too frail. But one can fortify their house simply by struttung the door with a couple 2x4s against the opposite wall. Ramming so strutted door in would only be possible with an armored ramming vehicle.

Next thing is windows. They can be easily broken, but like I said before, putting 3M window film on them would create almost impenetrable barrier for a while.

I went further and installed what looks like a regular storm door, but in reality is an AR-500 frame with armor glass. You could not tell it's not just a storm door from 10 feet. It has screen and everything.

So when I would get a 3am knock, they would be knocking for a long time before entering.

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And the cost of confiscating guns using APCs would quickly skyrocket into another trillion $$$ figure.

Good luck with that. By the way, those guys are not safe behind their windshields from 50cal and over.

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