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Old July 24th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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Why Liberals Want To Stop Gun Shows

An excellent article on why we must dig in our heels and resist any form of new gun control legislation.



Why Liberals Want To Stop Gun Shows

A fundamental principle of a free people is the ability to transfer property to someone else without government intervention. In the case of firearms, it is often a tradition to pass on a gun from one generation to another.

A group called Mayors Against Illegal Guns co-chaired by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, commissioned a poll to determine how the public felt about tightening background checks on people that bought guns. It will come as little surprise that a group called Mayors Against Illegal Guns wants additional restrictive legislation on the already restrictive process and they even bought the research that indicates the public agrees.

The target of liberal legislators is the gun show. If you are a licensed gun dealer you hold a Federal Firearms License and are required by law to perform a background check before you can release the gun to the buyer. That makes good sense and often there is a waiting period. A waiting period makes good sense too unless you are someone being threatened or harassed and you happen to need a way to defend yourself. The attacker will be reassured that the government will deny you, the potential victim, an immediate opportunity to purchase a tool to defend yourself. When an attack is going to happen in seconds the police, if called, will respond in minutes to take the crime report.

Here is the controversial aspect of a gun show: the unlicensed seller. This is a person that wants to sell his personal property to another individual. It is the equivalent of you saying “Mike, you want to sell that .22?” And then me telling you I’ll take 50-bucks for it. We have a deal and I’m the unlicensed seller. But, I don’t need a license to sell you my .22. That is the “gun show loophole.”

Closing the “gun show loophole” enables the government to curtail person to person sales. That is what is really behind the attack on gun shows. Every gun would have to be turned into a gun dealer so that it could be tracked by the Federal Government and then the transfer process would be monitored by the Federal Government. The right you have now to sell your neighbor your shotgun will be gone, forever.

What is even more disturbing is the loss of the right to pass on your gun to a family member. The tradition of passing on grandpa’s gun to his grandson will be legislated out of existence. Gramps will have to pass the gun to a federally authorized entity that will then register it and pass it on to the recipient. Often the gifting of the first firearm is to someone thirteen or fourteen years old. Because they cannot legally own a gun at that age it would have to be transferred to someone who would then hold the gun until it could be then transferred to the final owner when legal age is reached. That’s a lot of red tape to give someone your squirrel rifle.

Anti-gun liberals know that more bureaucracy on law abiding citizens is the easiest form of gun control and hidden under the label of ‘common sense gun measures.” If the government can make criminals out of people that have never committed a criminal act with administrative measures then people will avoid buying, owning and transferring guns altogether. Then they accomplish what they set out to do; stop legal citizens from owning guns.

New York City has some of the toughest gun laws in the United States but they have not eliminated crimes committed with guns. Why? Because going after gang members is dangerous, expensive and more often than not the criminal ends up back on the street. Mayors Against Illegal Guns should take a closer look at those that are committing the crimes and focus on punishing the perpetrators rather than building a bureaucracy that is targeted at legal gun owners.

I remember when I was a teenager walking down the street with an Ithaca Model 37 pump 12 gauge in the rural Adirondack mountain town where I grew up. I had purchased the gun from a friend and there wasn’t any paperwork, background check, state or federal government involved. A police car pulled up next to me and the officer asked “Are you coming or going? I get off in a few minutes and if you want to go hunting together hop in and I’ll give you a ride.” It turns out I was walking home and after I told that to the officer, he just said “Ok then, next time” and drove off. To me, that officer exercised common sense gun control. An anti-gun liberal would have had me, the gun seller and probably the officer up on federal charges and locked us up for a long time. It’s a pity that the left doesn’t understand the relationship between gun ownership and crime but it will be a tragedy if we let the Bloomberg lead coalition erode the gun rights of a free people.

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Old July 24th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #2
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Isn't it already against the law to transfer a gun privately at a gun show? At least on the property I am pretty sure it is. Doesn't stop you from making the deal on the spot and driving somewhere else to sell it though.

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BSalty, it depends on which state your in. Some states mandate, don't ask me which ones, that all sales at a gun show be done through an FFL.

The only problem I have seen is someone buying something at a gun show, then getting a mysterious great offer for their new purchase before they leave the show. Be careful of that!(Sting for dealing without a FFL)

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Isn't it already against the law to transfer a gun privately at a gun show?
Not here in New Mexico it's still legal at Gun Shows to buy from a private person item (gun or rifle).

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Not here in New Mexico it's still legal at Gun Shows to buy from a private person item (gun or rifle).

Same here in WYoming...Guns are advertised in the newspaper for Garage Sales...

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people walk around the gun shows with a sign taped to their gun.. thats the best way to sell your gun.

check your state laws.. then move to a free state if possible.

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While specific laws vary from state to state, the last time I read the requirements for a private transfer on the BATFE web site stated that the only requirement the seller must meet is that the seller must be aware that the buyer is legally entitle to purchase a gun, i.e. some who cannot by a gun through a licensed seller transfer process. And just to CYOA, get the buyers driver's license and make up a bill of sale.

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Varies state to state, in CO you can’t sell in the parking lot but can inside the show.

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Here in Florida we can buy and sell inside the show, out in the parking lot, and anywhere else without concern about violating the law.

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Ok I may be wrong but and it is the convention grounds that don’t want you selling in the parking lot, it is ok inside the show, private sales still don’t have to go through an FFL.

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Take a close look at this 'do-gooder' group of mayors and you start to see why they desperately need this whole straw-man gun argument as a distraction from their other activities...


Please, tell me more about how more gun laws will restrict criminals who....don't obey laws.

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Just Ranting.........

I run four one day gunshows (50 to 80 tables that are free to club members)for the local gun club (Missouri Valley Arms Collectors Association - MVACA) plus we have a Large Summer 3 day /844 table gunshow which just so happens to be this weekend July 27,28,29.

So I drew my line in the sand about gunshows, about five years by joining the MVACA Gunshow committee, and eventually I started running the one day MVACA gunshows, and helping with running the MVACA Big Summer gunshow. Now I have been MVACA membership secretary for a year and a half.
All I am saying, come on guys get active, get other people to vote, donate some time to the gun shooting sports, get vocal about gun control, talk to the neighbors, interact with the non-gun people. This last week I have talked with 10's of non gun people about the Colorado shooting, a nut is a nut. Grenades are banned, yet he made his own, Laws were and are made to prevent him from making explosives, yet he had them, and he broke the law, the law did not stop him, it's just a piece of paper. For all the good the law did you might as well wad up the paper it was printed on, and then throw it at the guy. A trained CC holder could have made a difference. I think that is the reason he had body armory on, he was afraid of getting shot by someone with a gun. He was a coward.
There are some benefits to joining a pistol shooting league, and practice every week. It's fun, meet other like minded people, get a CC license.

Another idea, Go to a gunshow, hell take a friend or two to one, and hang out and talk to the other attendees, - have fun, ask questions, handle guns, look at all the cool eye candy there, but just remember some day you might not be able to do so in the future - if the liberal gun grabbers have their way......

Where is your line in the sand?

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Personally, I would like to have the OPTION of paying for a Virginia State Police background check if I were to sell a firearm to an individual at a gun show. It would be worth $5 or $10 to me to have some confidence that I was not selling a gun to a felon, known mental case, etc.

However, the fundamental concept of freedom of choice escapes liberals. They would insist on making the background check REQUIRED for all sales at a gun show, er, really anywhere.

"I mean like duh why would anyone have a problem with that?" National gun registration is the answer to that question!

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It is, I'm afraid, getting to be much closer to the time when talking will no longer work and only action will decide the issue.
I do not think "they" would be trying this hard to disarm US citizens if there were not some underlying reason to do so......

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There are still quite a few states to my knowledge that allow private, record free sales of used guns. I think that closing gun shows goes even further that just closing "the gun show loophole". It has been a long time in California since you could buy privately, and the libs engineered a law it seemed to specifically shut down the Pomona gun show, and every gun show in L.A. County on county property by passing the law that it was illegal to have any gun on County property. Well, the Pomona show was held at the L.A. County Fairgrounds was the 2nd highest grossing event there only after the L.A. County Fair, so it was bringing in a truckload of taxes/revenue to the county. It was a giant show, it was fantastic.
I think the liberal mindset is to stop ALL legal gun transfers, as many ammo sales as possible, and even as many accessories sales as possible, they hate guns that much.

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