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Old February 15th, 2012, 06:20 PM   #16
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Everytime I buy a weapon I am delayed for 3 day's. It was explained to me that I was x military with numerous security clearance's and the clearance's put a flag because the FBI has investigated me and that is an automatic flag.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #17
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I've been delayed three out of the last five times I've bought rifles over the counter. I sent my Senator after them to no avail. I lived 85 miles from town and it was a problem for me to get back to town to pick up my rifles after the check went to proceed. I suggested that the government should launch an investigation into why their system is so faulty as it results in civil rights being put into suspension while they sort things out.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #18
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Everytime I buy a weapon I am delayed for 3 day's. It was explained to me that I was x military with numerous security clearance's and the clearance's put a flag because the FBI has investigated me and that is an automatic flag.
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Sounds like a BS to me. Was AF from 83-92 and worked for a Defense Contractor from 98-09. Had a security clearance then entire time in both and I have never been delayed.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #19
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we had a ATF lady come and she was awful to us during our audit. she made about 10 clerical errors and then proceeded to tell us we were messed up. my boss wasent taking that lying down and probably gave her some of her own medicine back.... well....

weve been getting a lot of "delayed" lately....

I think NICS is a sham.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #20
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im about to start shooting blood out of my eyes. There is absolutely no reason why i should have a delay. Im a pretty resonable guy, but big brother is going to send me into a seizure. :arm37: Bigthumpup


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if your active or recent ex military (less than 20 yrs) they delay to check for military med records. Get a pin number if you get delayed again, will go right through.

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Old February 16th, 2012, 04:52 AM   #21
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When the NRA helped Brady strengthen those checks to include depriving millions of vets their god given right to arms is when I realized we were in trouble w/ that, well that and the whole electric medical record system, all would be used to disarm
This is totally untrue. In fact, the NRA fought to preserve the gun rights of veterans. I don't know how these stories get started....

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Old February 16th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #22
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I think (hope) that the government is really this incompetent, and it's not a gun grabbing conspiracy, although I have quit buying guns because I now live even further from town and it's a huge hassle. When I think about these boobs being able to detain potential "terror" suspects without the chance for due process, I really worry. They've been wrong about me 60% of the time in nics checks, I hope the system they use to make a "potential terrorist" determination on me is more accurate than that. I did get a packet from the DOJ/FBI after my Senator inquired about my delayed status. In the packet was a fingerprint card, a release for me to sign allowing them to keep my records in future nics checks, and a request that I give a statement speculating as to why I think they give me the delayed status. I didn't send anything back and have been delayed since. I figured since my 2nd protections weren't in force, I wasn't going to give up my 5th as well by making up a story about why I think I could be getting delayed on nics checks.

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Old February 16th, 2012, 06:23 AM   #23
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i have been on the watch list since i joined the army ( because of the job) and i have never had an issue and this is the first i have heard of a CHL holder not getting a weapon right away.
i even had the atf call my local gun shop wanting to know about a weapon i traded in. i guess it was used in a crime after i traded it.
i just bought a new 1911 and walked away with it 20 min later.
something is screwed up but if youre not pending any legal actions you shouldnt have an issue.

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Old February 16th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #24
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NICS is FUBAR

The whole NICS system/database is a worthless to me. I’ve been chasing the hard to obtain “UPIN” for years now with no end in sight. Here are a few facts that I have personally collected that many of you might not know about our lovely system we know as NICS. This stated in 2008.

First, if you are “Denied” your NTN (national transaction number for each firearms purchase) is permanently logged into the NICS system…forever. But, if you are “Delayed” (which means the FBI has up to 5 days to deny you, otherwise they HAVE to let you proceed with the transaction) the NICS database will only hold that specific NTN for 90 days, after that it is flushed from the system. Now, this might become a problem when you file for an appeal and request a UPIN number since it take around 140 – 160 days to have your case reviewed. Yes, you heard correctly. Many times I have called NICS back only to find that “They can’t locate my NTN in their system” even when I’ve read it back to them over the phone. The whole process is quite insane. I don’t understand why they don’t keep track of all the denied & delayed number forever, but every time I call I get a different answer.

Knowing the above I actually staged/staggered two firearm purchases once. I bought one firearm, got the NTN, then I sent my paperwork in for the UPIN application, then 60 days later I bought another firearm (so I had 2 NTN’s in their system at once, under my name) and guess what??? They conveniently “Lost” my correct mailing address for the original paperwork on the first NTN, which delayed responses enough that my 1st NTN in the system fell off the radar again. I could not believe it. What is funny is that I got a letter from them stating that they had the wrong mailing address for me for the appeals case for that NTN, however they somehow had the correct mailing address to send me the letter stating their wrong address for me in the system. Insane.

Anyhow, anytime I see ANYTHING to do with NICS I am all ears. If anyone has any ideas I haven’t tried….I think my next step is getting a Senator involved. The fact that NICS is fubar shouldn’t delay anyone that should be able to lawfully own/purchase a firearm…especially after following their guidelines to prove you are not a criminal and should be added to the UPIN system. I even had a NICS clerk tell me “Well sir, you can still buy, you just have to wait longer” and I felt like saying “F*** you lady, why should I have wait longer because your system is screwed up?” It is an hour drive each way to the place I buy my firearms from, so why should I have the run around? This is harassment & discrimination that our country should not do to its citizens.

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This is totally untrue. In fact, the NRA fought to preserve the gun rights of veterans. I don't know how these stories get started....
Sadly you are totally wrong-

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WASHINGTON -- A rare piece of gun legislation finds the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence on the same side, and President Bush signed such a bill Tuesday.

The measure, Congress' response to last year's Virginia Tech shootings, is the first significant federal legislation in years aimed at tightening gun laws. It seeks to expand the federal database used to screen gun buyers to include the estimated 2 million-plus people, including felons and mentally ill individuals, who are ineligible to buy firearms.


We just don't trust that the NRA will lift a finger to see that the grant portion of the bill is fully funded.
— Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center

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"It's the first gun-control legislation of any sort that Congress has passed in over 12 years," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign.

But the measure has created an unusual rift among gun-control groups.

Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, said there was "far more bad in this bill than good," expressing concern about a provision that could restore gun-owning privileges to some people now prohibited from purchasing firearms.

"It's certainly not this huge victory that the Brady Campaign is making it out to be," said Joshua Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

The bill represents a shift from the last major gun measure, which shielded gun makers and sellers from lawsuits arising from misuse of their weapons. It was passed in 2005 by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush. The year before, Congress allowed the 10-year-old ban on assault weapons to expire.

The legislation signed Tuesday, designed to improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, was the first gun measure to emerge since Democrats took over the House and the Senate a year ago. It was passed last month, in the waning hours of the 2007 legislative session.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., one of the bill's sponsors, said it would "close the wide gaps in our nation's firearm background-check system to ensure violent criminals and the mentally ill no longer slip through the cracks and gain access to dangerous weapons."

Said White House spokesman Tony Fratto: "We saw with the terrible shootings at Virginia Tech last year that an incomplete system can have tragic consequences."

Even with the bill's enactment, the gun issue is unlikely to gain more prominence on Capitol Hill this year.

Democrats have shied away from the issue since the 2000 election, believing that their presidential candidate, Al Gore, lost support in rural states because he supported gun control.

The issue also doesn't fall strictly along party lines; eight Democratic senators recently joined 39 Republican senators in calling for repeal of a ban on carrying loaded firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges, saying the restriction "infringes on the rights of law-abiding gun owners."

Efforts to strengthen the background-check system have been debated for years, but the movement gained momentum after Seung-hui Cho killed 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech before taking his own life April 16 in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. He had been ordered by a court to undergo outpatient mental-health treatment and should have been barred from buying the two handguns he used in the rampage, but his name was never entered into the background-check system.

A White House-ordered review of the Virginia Tech shootings found that "accurate and complete information on individuals prohibited from possessing firearms is essential to keep guns out of the wrong hands."

Currently, 17 states provide no mental health records to the background-check system, according to the Justice Department.

The new law takes a carrot-and-stick approach to get states to report people ineligible to buy guns. It authorizes up to $250 million a year for five years to states to help pay the cost of providing the records and then threatens to withhold federal anti-crime funds if the states fail to act.

In addition to the support the bill received from the NRA and the Brady Campaign, it was sponsored by the unlikely pair of McCarthy, a leading gun-control advocate whose husband was killed and son wounded by a gunman on a Long Island train in 1993, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a staunch NRA ally who has helped thwart gun-control legislation in the past.

"While most would say we are an odd pair when it comes to this particular issue, I would suggest we are just two legislators trying to fix a legitimate problem," Dingell said.

But some gun-control groups aren't celebrating.

The Violence Policy Center and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence contend that the Brady Campaign, eager for a victory, conceded too much to the gun lobby.

"This program is just a disaster in the making," Rand said, arguing that the new law could put guns back in the hands of dangerous people. She said the legislation allows veterans judged to be mentally incompetent to seek to get their gun privileges restored if they can show they are unlikely to endanger public safety or have received treatment and recovered.

Rand also said she was skeptical that Congress would follow through on providing the promised funding for states to enter the records of prohibited gun purchasers. "Frankly, we just don't trust that the NRA will lift a finger to see that the grant portion of the bill is fully funded," she said. Some states still might not provide mental health records because of their own privacy laws, she added.

Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign, described groups like Rand's as "friends of ours," adding: "We're stunned and exasperated that they opposed this legislation."

The measure's benefits outweighed its risks, he said, noting that his group is concerned about the millions of mental health records that are not in the database.

The measure also divided gun-rights groups.

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Old February 16th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #26
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YAY! PROCEED!

*Loads up gear and magazines

*straps on boots


- See you guys in a bit, gonna hit the range and sling rounds downrange until i cant feel feelings anymore. Its been a long week.

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Old February 16th, 2012, 09:51 AM   #27
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congrats man!

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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:34 PM   #28
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I get delayed 30% of the time its not so bad. but it makes NO SENSE. i have been told its just because a lot of people are buying guns and they have to process it , but that sounds like bs

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