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GARRARD · February 14th, 2012, 10:31 PM

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Last Thursday, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder appeared before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to answer questions about his role in the deadly “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal. However, instead of answers, Congress got more defiance, more arrogance, and more wasted time with an attorney general who clearly feels no sense of obligation to the American people or our rule of law.

But for all the stonewalling, there was at least one telling moment at this hearing, and it should concern law-abiding gun owners and all Americans who expect accountability from our government.

In a rash attempt to deflect attention away from himself and his own irresponsibility, Holder let Congress know that the Obama administration is still working toward the day when it can reinstate former President Bill Clinton’s so-called “assault weapons” ban. According to Holder:

This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico.

It’s difficult to follow Holder’s logic here, but it goes something like this …

The Obama administration — particularly Eric Holder’s Justice Department — oversaw an epic scandal whereby our own federal government illegally funneled thousands of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug lords. This contributed to the death of one U.S. Border Patrol agent and hundreds of Mexicans.

Despite being head of the Justice Department and our nation’s chief law enforcement officer, Eric Holder claims he doesn’t know how or why this scandal occurred, or even who under his charge may have authorized it. He also refuses to turn over critical documents to congressional investigators that could help prevent something this tragic and corrupt from ever happening again.

Therefore, Obama and Holder are confident that if they can ban a large number of the legal firearms that law-abiding Americans use every day for self-defense, hunting, and recreational and competitive target shooting, it will help solve Mexico’s crime problem.

What’s particularly galling about Holder’s shallow and illogical attempt to use “Fast and Furious” to further the Obama administration’s gun-ban agenda is that during the same hearing, he lectured Congress for playing political “gotcha” games in an election year.

Amazingly, Holder seems incapable of understanding that this isn’t a Republican or Democratic issue, it’s an American issue, and all Americans deserve to know how and why their government purposefully allowed thousands of guns to flow into the hands of murderous Mexican drug cartels. The family of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry deserves to know why two of these guns were found at the scene of Terry’s murder.

Eric Holder’s Justice Department oversaw this illegal operation, but all Holder is willing to do is call for gun bans on law-abiding Americans, withhold critical information from Congress, and pat himself on the back for a job well done. As Holder told Congress on Thursday: “I’m proud of the work that I’ve done as attorney general of the United States, and looked at fairly, I think I’ve done a pretty good job.”

Eric Holder has long since proved himself inept and incapable of holding the trust that Americans place in our nation’s chief law enforcement officer. The longer Holder refuses to step down as attorney general, the more lasting his damage to this sacred institution will be.

Chris W. Cox is the executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) and serves as the organization’s chief lobbyist.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/ho...#ixzz1mQgHJAYL

charlesPOSTLEwade · February 14th, 2012, 10:44 PM

Shocking Simply Shocking I say in my most Sarcastic Tone of Voice . Come on Did /Would you expect anything less from the Halricans Twin or the Halfrican for that matter

SAPPNASTY · February 14th, 2012, 11:44 PM

Someone needs to yank his ass up and threaten to take away his freedom. The problem is that they continue to allow him to play his little games with no accountability. At one point or another, someone hass to stand up and put things in motion to get the truth about his wrongdoings...period.

Greenhorn · February 15th, 2012, 12:20 AM

Sounds to me like Holder is just frustrated by all the problems coming from doing what they told him to do.

Except for the getting caught part. No one told him to do that.

Spray n pray · February 15th, 2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SAPPNASTY

Someone needs to yank his ass up and threaten to take away his freedom. The problem is that they continue to allow him to play his little games with no accountability. At one point or another, someone hass to stand up and put things in motion to get the truth about his wrongdoings...period.

I couldn't agree with you more. My question is, who can hold him accountable? What will realistically happen to him even if he is found guilty of any wrongdoing? Our government and elected officials are corrupt to the core, and only care about enforcing existing laws and passing legislation that will be of personal benefit to them. Something as insidious as this utterly botched operation (and I say that with extreme sarcasm, since I am sure this false-flag event is exactly what they wanted) is the surest indicator of just how morally bereft our gvernment has become. To sacrifice one agent, not to mention uncounted Mexicans across the border, for the sake of furthering any agenda is so far beyond unconscionable that it defies description. This ugly and shady business disgusts me to no end, and while I will continue to pray for my country and it's leadership, I cannot help but feel that America's best days are behind her.

Palladin · February 15th, 2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spray n pray

I couldn't agree with you more. My question is, who can hold him accountable? What will realistically happen to him even if he is found guilty of any wrongdoing? Our government and elected officials are corrupt to the core, and only care about enforcing existing laws and passing legislation that will be of personal benefit to them. Something as insidious as this utterly botched operation (and I say that with extreme sarcasm, since I am sure this false-flag event is exactly what they wanted) is the surest indicator of just how morally bereft our gvernment has become. To sacrifice one agent, not to mention uncounted Mexicans across the border, for the sake of furthering any agenda is so far beyond unconscionable that it defies description. This ugly and shady business disgusts me to no end, and while I will continue to pray for my country and it's leadership, I cannot help but feel that America's best days are behind her.

Congress and the Judicial branch. Assuming they choose to....

CharlieEcho · February 15th, 2012, 05:37 AM

I seriously question accountability at the Federal Level. We see very few of our federal office holders, or appointees suffer any severe punishment. There have been a few, but it's usually minimal if any jail time at all. Restitution? Forget it. The proof may be there, but who controls the proof and the truth. Too many in Washington have been there too long. They've become part of the system.

Many if they do get caught and will never get re-elected just resign and accept their lucrative retirement package, or start to lobby. Franks and Dodd were so arrogant during the housing flap. They knew they were untouchable.

Even at the state level it takes the Feds to do the investigating and make the charges. Then do the prosecuting. It's a long haul and takes a lot of arm twisting. We've been a party to such in Illnoise, and we haven't stopped the shenanigans. At least we were able to stop the retirement benefits to one jailed Governor.

kmcintosh78 · February 15th, 2012, 06:27 AM

Why won't the Impeachment hearing for 0bama and Holder start already?

Good hell. How much more are we going to be subject to??

CAVman · February 15th, 2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieEcho

I seriously question accountability at the Federal Level. We see very few of our federal office holders, or appointees suffer any severe punishment. There have been a few, but it's usually minimal if any jail time at all. Restitution? Forget it. The proof may be there, but who controls the proof and the truth. Too many in Washington have been there too long. They've become part of the system.

Many if they do get caught and will never get re-elected just resign and accept their lucrative retirement package, or start to lobby. Franks and Dodd were so arrogant during the housing flap. They knew they were untouchable.

Even at the state level it takes the Feds to do the investigating and make the charges. Then do the prosecuting. It's a long haul and takes a lot of arm twisting. We've been a party to such in Illnoise, and we haven't stopped the shenanigans. At least we were able to stop the retirement benefits to one jailed Governor.

"The Best Defense Is A Good Offense!"

Remember "I Am Not A Crook" ?

Remember "Iran Contra" and Oliver North Lying To Congress ?

Nothing new here...

If there is such a thing as 'justice', more often than not it's a long time coming !

CAVman in WYoming

bd111 · February 15th, 2012, 08:16 AM

We'll keep hearing AWB, large cap magazines, gun show "loophole," and banning of online sales of personally-owned firearms. Count on it. That's BO's big city Democrat base. It gives them and their broadcast media sycophants something to change the subject about whenever the administration's botched gun-running to Mexico comes up.

Spray n pray · February 15th, 2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Palladin

Congress and the Judicial branch. Assuming they choose to....

And how's that working out so far?

I understand the way it is supposed to work, but the government hasn't functioned as intended for quite some time. The executive branch, rather than enforcing existing laws, has made it a recent habit to blatantly disregard those with which it does not agree. The judicial branch has long overstepped its bounds in legislating from the bench. The legislative branch has been too busy passing legislation without reading the bills they pass. So yes, while I understand that the courts and the congress should keep our elected officials accountable, they have long ceased being effective in doing so.

IWANTANM14 · February 15th, 2012, 08:41 AM

All of these the gov did this, the gov did that, they are plan on doing this and undercover they did that topics always lead me to the same question that never generates an acceptable answer.

Did they forget they work for us?

I guess the general consensus is we will just let them do what they want and then when its too late to act we'll all mumble at least I have the new Iphone.

donmor53 · February 15th, 2012, 09:07 AM

Since this whole F&F affair was nothing but a means to a backdoor run for stricter anti gun legislation (or change by fiat)...this revelation should surprise no one that have ever checked deep into Barry's thoughts regarding citizen and gun ownership.

This operation and resulting stonewalling was intentionally planned as way of keeping their efforts under the radar until the Obamination would hopefully win a second term. Then...with no accountability to the electorate (and hopefully another Dem controlled Congress)...Barry would at the very least...feel free to enforce his policies by executive order and enforcement agencies if not enact new laws entirely.

Give him another chance to pick a few new liberal SCOTUS justices and...all bets would then be off for gun owners for many years...if not forever.

The Senate has to be taken back at the very least or my friends...the result of the upcoming election will get very, very nasty for gun right folks if there is not a Conservative in the WH.

54321 · February 15th, 2012, 09:13 AM

Could Obama do an Executive Order to ban guns?

The Repubs. in congress as fickle as they are, would never dare pass a new gun ban law.

IWANTANM14 · February 15th, 2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 54321

Could Obama do an Executive Order to ban guns?

The Repubs. in congress as fickle as they are, would never dare pass a new gun ban law.

An actual gun ban will be a total failure.

this is a little something I've been working on. think about this and I mean really think about it...............

Everyone of us fears a gun ban, rumors that have always been passed suggest it will happen and there are statements suggesting that after Obama's re-election he will attempt to put a ban into effect. Well, I don't think it will happen. There is power in numbers and the firearm owners, the firearm manufacturers and the whole firearms industry in America have the upper hand......to an extent.
Lets take a very basic look at these numbers:
There are 120 - 150 million legal gun owners in the U.S. if only half were willing to defend their 2A rights, that is 60-75 million People. Lets not forget the illegal gun ownership and their obvious disposition of being anti-authority. Anyone care to take a shot at the combined number of legal and illegal gun owners who are willing to defend their 2A rights?
So, lets say it passed. Now the government needs people willing to basically go to war against the American gun owners. Who will the unlucky group be? the local police department? but there are only 950,000 - 1,0000,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S. So, we'll give them the high number just for kicks and say 40% either understood their oath or are gun owners themselves and decided against and will not take part in a confiscation. How long can 600,000 LEOs survive against 60 million? 2-3 days tops?
What about the U.S. military? after all they have to do what they're told. Well, having the military being the confiscating force would fall under martial law and any intelligent member of our armed personnel who also understood their oath to defend and uphold the constitution knows that both the action of waging war against its citizens(AKA familiy and loved ones) and the actual confiscating of arms is in total violation of the constitution. As of 30 Sept. 2010 there are 2,278,895 service members both active and reserve. We'll also give the number to them, lets say 40% refuse such blatantly unconstitutional order. That leaves 911,558 personnel willing to commit the violation but lets get real how many of those personnel will actually fight? maybe 3/4 equaling 684,000 against 60 million. what about a joint force between LE and the military? that is still suicide numbers 1.2 million against as low as 60 million.

Of course there is the anti's official confiscation force the U.N. There have been rumors of the possibility of the U.N. doing the anti-christ's dirty work. YEAH RIGHT DREAM ON!!
1. The government as idiotic as they may be will never allow it.
2. The American people will not allow it.
3. The U.S. military sure as sh*t won't go for that.
4. This will make it clear that every American killed and wounded defending our precious nation from 1775 to the present was for absolutely nothing at all and all of the pain and suffering this nation endured since its birth was for nothing .
If in fact Obama actually thought of something this comical as rumors suggest, I mean really? only you Obama would believe that America will allow a foreign armed force to............. occupy and wage war on the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That is grounds for a SNL skit.
So there you have it, valid points that gun confiscation on U.S. soil will not and can not happen.
MYTH DEBUNKED!!!!!