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IWANTANM14 · February 15th, 2012, 06:27 AM

that's comical, how does he plan on taking them? does he really think those who swore to defend an uphold the constitution will do something so unconstitutional? does he think whats left of law enforcement and military personnel after they say go F yourself will be enough to wage war against 120-150 million gun owners? does he not understand that it is not going to work out as planned. sending a son to kill his father, sending a brother to kill his brother over gun confiscation. he is an idiot, maybe he thinks he'll call in the U.N. to do it but then the US military will say no Mr. president we won't allow a foreign military force to fight our citizens on our soil.

Everybody just relax, see O has gotten his way so often he is trying to run with it but now he is just getting careless.

Hey Obama! good luck with that.

stoky · February 15th, 2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jens5

Not kidding at all. The only thing I've seen since he's been in office is a proliferation of pro-concealed carry in states that previously had none. Ammo prices and shortages escalated due to paranoia from gun owners that Obama was coming. I'm an NRA lifer and have always supported the 2nd amendment, but this,"The boogieman is coming!" is ridiculous. I don't know how I allow myself to become involved in these discussions but IMO, I've seen more gun owner freedom in the past 3 years then anything else.
I'm not saying this is because of Obama, just sayin.
On another note, there's been a disturbing trend in the past 15 years or so of total disregard for a Commander & Chief. Those that have served, know the Pres. is elected by the people and whether you like him or not, must be owed allegiance. I'm outa here now and promise not to get involved in any political discourse in the future.

I appreciate your opinion, differing points of view are a good thing.
You make a good point about the law of unintended consequences. When they push too hard, more folks get on board about pushing back.
I think you're wrong about the boogie man, he's learned to low crawl in a gillie.
Part of me is tempted to vote for Obama, to help turn push back into blow back.

IWANTANM14 · February 15th, 2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stoky

I appreciate your opinion, differing points of view are a
Part of me is tempted to vote for Obama, to help turn push back into blow back.

Does that say what it says or do I need meds?

Don't even joke like that

Grumbler · February 16th, 2012, 11:00 AM

I would rather have a gorilla in office than Obama. Any republican is better than the socialist, narcissistic, jerk we have in office now. If you don't understand the difference between a far, far left socialistic SOB and the Republicans anyone, then you deserve what you get. For those of you that can't vote for Romney or whomever and will stay home, that's like casting a vote for Obama.

Life is about more than GUNS and the Obama Democrats will take away more of your freedoms every minute that they are in office. They know more about raising your children than you do, according to them. They know better how to spend your money, according to them. As a matter of fact, they know more about telling you how to live your own life than you do. All this is because they are much smarter than us folks hanging on to our bible and guns.

The gun situation is clear. They will chip away, chip away, until one day in the future guns will be outlawed in the USA. It won't be next week or next year or even the next decade but some day it will happen as long as the Obama Democrats stay in office. The beginning of the end will start with registration of all firearms and eventually end up with confiscation. If Obama is elected he will probably be able to replace two Supreme Court Justices and if so he will put people like the last two in the positions. Now, how does the country go when the Supreme Court starts interrupting the constitution in a more liberal vein.

I doubt I will be alive to see true Gun Control but Liberal Democrats take a real long view of things and they just keep plugging along. Give them an inch and they will take another. Pretty soon they have a foot, then a mile. If it were to happen in my lifetime they would have to confiscate my guns "...........from my cold dead hands"!

stoky · February 19th, 2012, 08:26 PM

A republican spawned the Import Ban (the one that didn't expire).
We deserve what we get, if we can't think outside of the left/right, liberal/"conservative", republicrat/dempublican delusional dichotomy.
If the alternatives are limited to a "far, far left socialistic SOB" and a fundamentalist theocracy, it's like getting raped, where you get to choose the position.
IMO, there is another axis entirely; freedom vs. tyranny.
If things have to get worse before they can get better, so be it.
Reduced to just better than the alternative might mean we need a better alternative.

"Problems cannot be solved by thinking within the framework in which the problems were created."
-Albert Einstein

BlackArrow · February 19th, 2012, 09:36 PM

I'm not a big fan of Obama, but this article seems like fear based propaganda to whip up the vote. Like the Prez or hate him, he taught Constitutional Law and he won't challenge the 2nd Amendment. He knows he's treading water as it is and I don't think he wants to risk martyrdom.

sinead · March 4th, 2012, 05:31 PM

He isn't going to use those old outdated methods like amending the constitution or passing legislation in the Congress. New, modern tools are available: the Environmental Protection Agency, Homeland Security, Department of Health and Human Services will impose new regulations that will destroy the firearms and ammunition industries. It will be attrition, not confiscation. For our health and safety, don't you know? One more progressive vote in the supreme court will do. Can Scalia hold out to 2017, he will be 81 or 82 by then. I don't trust Obama or Romney. I hope that I am wrong about all of this.

Sinead

GARRARD · March 4th, 2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArrow

I'm not a big fan of Obama, but this article seems like fear based propaganda to whip up the vote. Like the Prez or hate him, he taught Constitutional Law and he won't challenge the 2nd Amendment. He knows he's treading water as it is and I don't think he wants to risk martyrdom.

You might be right but if his mastery of Constitutional law means he won't violate the Constitution, how dose one explain our involvement in Libya, signing statements, killing citizens without a trial, USA PATRIOT Act renewal, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and so on?

Swamp Rat · March 4th, 2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArrow

I'm not a big fan of Obama, but this article seems like fear based propaganda to whip up the vote. Like the Prez or hate him, he taught Constitutional Law and he won't challenge the 2nd Amendment. He knows he's treading water as it is and I don't think he wants to risk martyrdom.

Have you read his book "Audacity of Hope"? It may seem like it was written by a semi-retarded child but you can glean valuable info from it. What you described of jug-eared Jesus, was not what I gathered from the book.

gman556 · March 4th, 2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ltfb

I think that what we, as gun owners, should do is buy up as many "assult" weapons and accessories as possible right now!
Not for the reason that you're probably thinking. Last election, the firearms industry (mostly dealers, but a lot of manufacturers too) put it to their patrons with inflated prices. This all based on scare tactics that the "evil, liberal 'left'" was going to take all of our guns away. The American public, acting like the sheep that most of them are, bought into all of the hype and here-say and paid ridiculous prices because they thought that they wouldn't be able to buy guns anymore. Did this happen? Of course not! What did happen is that a bunch of rich people got richer because of a bunch of self generated propaganda from the very industry we look to to provide these implements of joy that we love so much.
Make no mistake. If the firearms industry was so worried about all of us being armed then they'd give us guns for free. If not for free then at least at cost. But they are a business, just like the companies whom make cars, kitchen sinks, toilet plungers, shoe laces, and any other consumer product that we use. They are there for a profit. If they weren't, they wouldn't exist. They aren't necessarily your friend, they just provide a product you enjoy. And they're going to do whatever they must to sell you their product and make a profit. For them it's much easier at times because so many people will believe anything the NRA tells them. And who is the main money supplier of the NRA?? Manufacturers!! Starting to get the picture here??
Bottom line is this: firearms are a multi-billion dollar industry. It would be political and economical suicide to do away with them. They're here to stay. Obama will be re-elected because there are too many clowns running against him for him to be beaten. And in four more years, we'll still have guns. What the smart folks need to do is buy up a bunch at today's prices and sell them to the doomsday believers a year from now at a hearty profit. Because fortunately we're always going to have guns, and unfortunately, we're always going to have sheep.

Very good point, and I think Alex Jones is a complete retard! He has lost all creditability with me, as he has cried wolf way too many times.

mustanggt · March 4th, 2012, 07:59 PM

Our fearless leader said in an interview that he had a problem with our Constitution in that it was full of "negative liberties" eg. what the government can't do to you. He wanted to see our rights given to us as "positive liberties" eg. those things the government can give you or do to you. So the flap eared Kenyan may have been a "Constitutional" lawyer but it wasn't so he could expound the virtues of that Devinely enspired document but undermine it and destroy it as only evil can do.

misfit762 · March 4th, 2012, 08:06 PM

Does this really surprise anyone? To call Obama a snake is an insult to other snakes. If he gets re-elected he'll push his agenda by hook or crook.

LausDeo · March 5th, 2012, 08:42 AM

For those who make the point that Obama hasn't passed any anti-gun legislation... you're right. But don't stop looking. He's expressed many anti-gun sentiments and filled his administration with anti-gunners. He's no friend. As CAVman keeps saying, he's working "under the radar", which was in fact his own term for his strategy.

We armed citizens are the most powerful GRASSROOTS interest group in Washington. He knows he cannot attack us from the front. What does he do? Outflank us, fire and maneuver, like any guerrilla warrior. Progressives have been doing this to us since their beginnings, and when it comes to firearms it is especially important for them to have plausible deniability at times. Look no further than:

-His executive order banning the RE-importation of AMERICAN-MADE M1 rifles that were shipped all over the globe to "defend freedom" (don't ask me my opinion on that strategy), and are now trying to return home to the loving arms of an American enthusiast (isn't this where the CMP gets their rifles from?)

-His weasly Attorney General, Eric Holder, who continually denies ANY knowledge of the "Fast and Furious" campaign that forced our arms dealers to sell arms to Mexican druglords (who are getting paid to transport Islamic terrorists across the border). These weapons have killed Americans, and that situation is now being used to fuel more gun control rhetoric.

-His Secretary of State, Hilary Klinton. We all remember her. She's got Obungo on board with the UN Small Arms Treaty, which will create a GLOBAL arms registry, among other things. What GOOD can come of THAT?

-His abuse of the Congresswoman Giffords incident. A loony shoots a congresswoman in the head with a .22, and all the sudden Obundler wants to have a "discussion" with the NRA about "reasonable gun control" (oxymoron much?) Good for the NRA for refusing, they would have gained NOTHING from it, and Obango would have had the ability to say in one of his Godawful campaign speeches, "I've sat down with the NRA to discuss reasonable measures of gun control, to help insure we don't have another Gabby Giffords incident, and to help protect the safety of all Americans."

And that's just off the top of my head.

Yes, Romney is bad too. Honestly, I don't feel any more comfortable with Gingrich or Santorum. They've all got anti-gun and anti-freedom loads in their cartridge belts. We're in a bad place, folks.

Let me illustrate the American political spectrum for you guys, to avoid the "left/right" "republican/democrat" confusion:

Communism------------------Fascism
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\---D------------------------------/--------Socialism
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---\---------------------------R-/
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-----\---------------------------/
------\-------------------------/
-------\------------------------/
--------\----------------------/
---------\ Constitution_/-------------Liberty/Capitalism

The "D" and "R" are there to trick us. The "R" should probably be placed higher but I'm feeling nice today.

Also notice how there is much less room for differences under the Constitution. I would have made the bottom smaller but it would have taken too much room.

Gem1950 · March 5th, 2012, 09:11 AM

Gun sales have been skyrocketing every year and I believe it has little to do with either Obama or the NRA. People are concerned for their safety and that of their family. The fact that the world is a dangerous place is becomming more apparent on a daily basis...even to liberals. And believe you me, there are a lot of liberals and nonpartisans getting into guns etc. As to the NRA - When I go to a gunshow, gun store or the range I do not see the same demographics that is represented in the NRA's political magazine America's First Freedom - That being 99.9% white republican. Aparently, for a lot of folks, there are forces at work here other than politics - like self preservation! And don't forget fun too!

Gearjammer · March 5th, 2012, 09:20 AM

No kidding!! Gun Control is genetic in Dummycrats!!

News flash for liberal control freaks........If you keep feeling the need to infringe on our freedom and gun rights, then don't feel all butt hurt when we finally infringe on your "Life and Pursuit of hapiness" with lead and copper.