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Old January 30th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #1
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New Jersey Introduces Bill Banning Ammunition Sales

NJ Assembly Committee To Consider Ammo Ban In The Name Of Police Safety
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/27/n...police-safety/

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Tags: Ammunition BansGun BillsNew JerseyNew Jersey Rifle & Pistol ClubsNJRPCScott BachA588 would enable the Attorney General to ban handgun and rifle ammunition by executive fiat.


NJ Assembly Committee To Consider Ammo Ban In The Name Of Police Safety

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Trenton, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would be subject to ban under A588, along with BB’s, airgun pellets, and plastic airsoft pellets!

Additional legislation being considered (A1013) could land gun owners in jail for refinished or damaged firearms that might be deemed “defaced”

On Monday, January 30 at 2:00 p.m. the New Jersey Assembly Law & Public Safety Committee is scheduled to consider A588, legislation that would enable the Attorney General to ban all handgun and most rifle ammunition if he unilaterally determines that it “poses a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers.”

Cleverly disguised as police safety legislation aimed at armor piercing ammunition (which is already prohibited under federal and state law), the measure actually opens the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat. Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would be subject to ban, along with BB’s, airgun pellets, and non-metallic ammunition like plastic airsoft pellets, if the Attorney General decides that they pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement.

Although the bill only mentions handgun ammunition, it is in fact not limited to handgun ammunition, and would apply to all rifle ammunition for which a handgun if ever made. As an increasing number of gun manufacturers make handgun models that shoot rifle caliber ammunition, the line between “handgun” vs. “rifle” ammunition has become blurred, and the New Jersey State Police have already begun treating rifle ammunition in this category as if it were handgun ammunition for regulatory purposes.

So long as a handgun exists that shoots a particular caliber of rifle ammunition, New Jersey treats that ammunition as if it were handgun ammunition.

The Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee is also scheduled to consider A1013 on Monday. One provision of this police safety legislation significantly increases the penalties relating to “defaced” firearms. Because of New Jersey’s longstanding poorly crafted definition of “defaced” firearms, it is possible that refinishing a firearm, or long-term damage from rust or scratches from ordinary wear and tear, could be deemed “defacement” subjecting honest gun owners to lengthy prison sentences, even though identifying information on the firearm is still legible.

•PLEASE IMMEDIATELY CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY LAW & PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE!
•TELL THEM TO VOTE “NO” ON A588 – BACKDOOR AMMUNITION BAN!
•TELL THEM TO VOTE “NO” OR AMEND A1013 TO PROTECT HONEST GUN OWNERS FROM SEVERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!
MEMBERS OF THE NEW JERSEY ASSEMBLY LAW & PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE:

•Charles Mainor (Chair) (D31)
AsmMainor@njleg.org
Phone: 201-536-7851
Fax: 201-536-7854
•Gilbert L. Wilson (Vice Chair) (D5)
AsmWilson@njleg.org
Phone: 856-547-4800
Fax: 856-547-5496
•Nelson T. Albano (D1)
AsmAlbano@njleg.org
Phone: 609-465-0700
Fax: 609-465-4578
•Daniel R. Benson (D14)
AsmBenson@njleg.org
Phone: 609-631-0198
Fax: 609-631-0324
•Sean Connors (D33)
AsmConnors@njleg.org
•Joseph Cryan (D20)
AsmCryan@njleg.org
Phone: 908-624-0880
Fax: 908-624-0587
•Sean T. Kean (R30)
AsmKean@njleg.org
Phone: 732-974-0400
Fax: 732-974-2564
•Gregory P. McGuckin (R10)
AsmMcGuckin@njleg.org
Phone: 732-974-0400
Fax: 732-840-9757
•Erik Peterson (R23)
AsmPeterson@njleg.org
Phone: 908-238-0251
Fax: 908-238-0256
•David P. Rible (R30)
AsmRible@njleg.org
Phone: 732-974-1719
Fax: 732-974-3615
•Bonnie Watson Coleman (D15)
AswWatsonColeman@njleg.org
Phone: 609-292-0500
Fax: 609-633-2179

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Old January 30th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #2
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You can read the text of the bills here:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bi...000/588_I1.HTM

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bi...00/1013_I1.HTM

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Old January 30th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #3
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Good, maybe this will accelerate the process through the courts and get NJ lawmakers a much deserved swatting with a copy of the Constitution.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #4
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Good, maybe this will accelerate the process through the courts and get NJ lawmakers a much deserved swatting with a copy of the Constitution.
Bad!
These two bills should be defeated early in the legislative process by NJ 'shooters' and sportsmen taking a firm stand!
Hoping that the bills pass so they can be someday, somehow be 'appealed' is, IMHO, the wrong way to go!
They need to get organized, stay organized, and then defeat every legislator introducing, sponsoring or voting for this 'crap'!



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Good, maybe this will accelerate the process through the courts and get NJ lawmakers a much deserved swatting with a copy of the Constitution.
Courts of late dont take The Constitution into account so much. The sooner this gets squashed in the New Jersey Legislature the better.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #6
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The U.S. Constitution was intended to only limit the power of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

The State of NJ is within it's rights to ban guns and ammo within the bounds of their State Constitution or to amend said Constitution. My State Constitution protects my gun rights.

The incorporationist believe the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution gave them the authority to incorporate the U.S. Constitution limits on the individual States... THIS IS PURE BULL CRAP.

Remember.... a Government big enough to give you everything you want....

IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE IT ALL AWAY

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Old January 30th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #7
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so this is just ted kennedy's anti ammo bill that bans all rifle ammo because it can penetrate a Police Vest re introduced as a local bill

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Old January 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #8
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This is what happens when you vote for DEMOCRAPS.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 02:29 PM   #9
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This is what happens when you vote for DEMOCRAPS.
Chris Christie (R) would have to sign this.

I figure he wouldn't.

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This is what happens when you vote for DEMOCRAPS.
Ever heard of Mitt Romney? He was governor of Mass, and a Republican no less and signed a permaban on so called 'assault weapons' there, it isnt just a (D) thing, todays (R) are yesterdays (D)

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Old January 30th, 2012, 02:39 PM   #11
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Chris Christie (R) would have to sign this.

I figure he wouldn't.
Maybe, maybe not. An interview he did with Hannity is not very encouraging.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...sh-line?page=4

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Maybe, maybe not. An interview he did with Hannity is not very encouraging.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...sh-line?page=4
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HANNITY: Are there any issues where you are, quote, moderate to left as a Republican?


CHRISTIE: Listen, I favor some of the gun-control measures we have in New Jersey.


HANNITY: Bad idea.


CHRISTIE: Listen, we have a densely-populated state, and there's a big hand gun problem in New Jersey. Now, I don't support all the things that the governor supports by a long stretch. But I think on guns — certain gun control issues, looking at it from a law-enforcement perspective, seeing how many police officers were killed, we have an illegal gun problem in New Jersey.


HANNITY: Should every — should every citizen in the state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?


CHRISTIE: In New Jersey, that's not going to happen, Sean.


HANNITY: Why?


CHRISTIE: Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there's no way those type of things — listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don't have an abundance of guns out there.



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The U.S. Constitution was intended to only limit the power of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

The State of NJ is within it's rights to ban guns and ammo within the bounds of their State Constitution or to amend said Constitution. My State Constitution protects my gun rights.

The incorporationist believe the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution gave them the authority to incorporate the U.S. Constitution limits on the individual States... THIS IS PURE BULL CRAP.
I respectfully disagree. Since New Jersey was one of the states that ratified the 14th Amendment, they are in no position to ignore the Equal Protection Clause.

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Maybe, maybe not. An interview he did with Hannity is not very encouraging.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...sh-line?page=4
He sounded more 'un-educated' than committed...

"we have an illegal gun problem in New Jersey"

Huh?



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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:05 PM   #15
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I respectfully disagree. Since New Jersey was one of the states that ratified the 14th Amendment, they are in no position to ignore the Equal Protection Clause.
This debate has been going on since it's passage and incoporationist interpretation. We are not going to ever agree but my statement of:

Any government big enough big enough to give you everything you want... is big enough to take it all away... still stands

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!


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