M14 Forum

stainless1911

Can you prove what you claim?

There has only been one situation close to this silly misconception, and that was 2 weeks ago in Virginia. A 16 year old pants hanging off his @$$ punk took a gun off someone, and the guy chased him down getting himself shot in the process. Attacking an armed man isnt a good idea, even if he's armed with your gun. It was the OCers fault, you have to know whose around you, open concealed, or especially unarmed.

Open carry is legal in 46 states, has been for decades. Each state has hundreds, some thousands, of open carriers who carry this way every day. This translated into hundreds of thousands of annual man hours of open carry, and being targeted has only happened once by an impulsive young career criminal, at the fault of the open carrier.

People play far worse odds every day in their cars and on the lottery.

There were 2 other cases where this claim of being a target was made against open carry. Both have been disproven. One, was a set up in an attempt rto get concealed carry passed in Wisconsin, and the other, I dont recal the motivation but the people wound up being charged with filing a false police report.

Even if the criminal is forced to deal with an open carrier first, it gives the unarmed people a chance to escape or find cover.

GARRARD

And give time for the other open carriers to pull their weapons out.

stainless1911

Yep, with the concealed carriers trailing behind because they are fumbling with their clothing. lol/

nyc71

It's been a while since I last check this post but I'm going to reply to some of the comment on why we are treated as test tube babies. The state has a huge population of Hispanics mainly mexicans, my wife family is Mexican decent. A very large percentage of them grew up believing only LEO can have guns. Another problem we have here is even lawful gun owners are complaisant, then we have the rest who don't care one way or the other. Last but not least the one problem most Americans are suffering from is willful ignorance. It happens to individuals who turn down info or refuse to believe or verify because deep down inside they know they are spineless/heartless. Is difficult to stand for what you believe & fight for it. No one wants to standup sacrify his/her time or livelyhood.
Last year I tried to get everyone I know involve to stop the bill that would allow the schools to vaccinate 12yrs & up without parental concent. Most complaint out load but didn't bother to contact Gov Brown. The bill got passed came in to law this year & still most people are not outrage. Willful ignorance is a state wide problem.

bobbyfairbanks

Weak Sauce, Pal, Weak Sauce. I live in Colorado and have opened carried. The only restriction that is out there is Federal buildings, schools, Post Office and the migration capital of California "Denver".

Whatsinaname181

californians need to stay and fix their own mess, rather than migrate and kill off other good states.

gregaba

I suppose that all the men who fought in the revolution and everyone who opened carried though out the history of the United States excluding the last 30 year's believed that open carry was a priviledge.
They even gave convicted bank robber's and other miscrents there guns back when they were released from prison.
Why?
Because it was a priviledge or a right?
Greg

There and Back Again

I'm a longtime resident of California and fully admit this state is now 90% fail. A little over 30% of California's population (illegal and legal) are on welfare (assisted living, welfare payments, food stamps, public housing, child stipends, you name it they got that type of welfare assistance here).

Couple that with a state unemployment rate well over 20%... and the ever leaving corporations who dont' want to be taxed... and the recipe for a decadent (and dying) state is born.

Everyone I know is leaving this state upon their retirement some even retired early to get out of here.

I have eight years left until I retire from work... and even I, too, am thinking of retiring early. California's economy, cost of living, over legislated life style, whacked out population... it's all wearing thin on me. Just last week my local government outlawed paper bags at the grocery store AND they passed a local tax making grocery shoppers pay to use plastic bags. In essence, they want us to tote around a dozen or more canvas bags to do our weekly shopping. Did they not think about the fact most folks won't do this but rather will DRIVE MORE OFTEN TO THE STORE THUS ADDING TO CARBON EMISSIONS?

California's middle-class is disappearing ever more by the month. They've stripped Union Workers of their "worker's rights"... government administrators (state and local) have given themselves pay raises (at the taxpayer's expense) while giving their state and local workers pay cuts/lay offs/furlough days.


California is a joke and it saddens me to admit that.

nyc71

I can't retire till I'm 50! I have 10 more years to go. A combination of few jobs, lazy/unmotivated individuals, & the entitlement population I say Kalifornia is a failed state. TEN long years!!!

sgj2025

I live in KY. They can have it when they pry it!!!

mkd357

I have really enjoyed this thread. It has made for good reading. I have this to say. I think we, as US citizens who can legally own firearms should have the right to carry firearms. I think you should have to take an NRA approved firearm class and shoot to qualify. That way you at least have some basic knowledge of pistol use and can accurately hit a target. I believe your state should be mandated to issue you a CCW permit if you meet the above criteria and are of an appropriate age. Whether open or concealed that is entirely up to the State. I have both options with my CCW here in IA. I always opt for concealed carry. It keeps the sheep from freaking out and wasting the police's time. It keeps you from getting the strange looks and extra attention. Carry deep and have it when the bad guy least expects it. If you are out in the woods, well sure OC is fine. But in town I personally don't see a point. Wouldn't you rather be lower key?
I really hope CA moves to "shall issue". I also hope the National Reciprocity Act passes the Senate and is signed into law. Then I could actually consider visiting family in NJ/NY and friends in CA while maintaining my ability to protect myself without going to jail.

Just my $0.02