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February 12th, 2010, 09:39 AM
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#1 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scandinavia
Posts: 396
| Swedish Carl Gustaf 45B (Swedish K)
Hi! 
I just want to bragg a little about my new little friend. I think it must be a familiar gun for some Vitenam vetīs here...
Anyway, in Swedish it is called: "Kulsprutepistol Carl Gustaf 45B" I guess you americans simply call it "Swedish K", right?
I used it for a year in the army back in the 80:s. Later used it at work as police officer. We phased it out and now use the MP5 instead. But if I could choose I would use the CG45B over the MP5 all day long. It is simple, it always work and it looks good too 
My gun is almost unused and is full auto... payed about 300 USD and that is expensive here. I payed the extra money beacuse it is quite uncommon with a B-model that is not painted in olive drab.
The ammo on the picture is the 9x19 called 39B here in Sweden. I think it is the hottes 9x19 ever produced. It penetrades kevlar wests wich stands 44 mag and 357 mag. The US army didīt want it because they were afraid that it would go out on the open market.
Is this Carl Gustaf a common gun in the states today or are those you have the "Port Said" copy?
Anyone here that have any experince with it? From Vietnam perhaps? Photos would be awesome
Iīm gonna test fire it tomorrow and make a range report.
Regards / Fleck...     
Pfc. Dean Richardson, a candidate in the Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP), 2nd Battalion, 75th Infantry (Ranger), fires the Swedish-K 9mm SUBMACHINE gun during special weapons training at Range 31.
Location: FORT LEWIS, WASHINGTON (WA) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA)
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February 13th, 2010, 10:43 PM
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#2 | | Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: CA
Posts: 2,286
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Beautiful, you lucky dog!
My shooting partner shot one a few months ago after the Police Olympics in Nevada. He loved it and said it was the most controllable SMG he had ever fired.
Can't wait for a range report.
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February 15th, 2010, 08:22 PM
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#3 | | Scout Sniper
Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA
Posts: 776
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That one looks to be in great shape. I had one years ago and I passed a chance to buy another one a few years ago. there has been 39B 9mm ammunition imported to the US. It was imported from the Norwegian military but made in Sweden.
The Swedish K's in the US are both originals and Port Saids.
Any chance of getting one of these Swedish military Carl Gustaf 45B posters?
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February 16th, 2010, 10:27 AM
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#4 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scandinavia
Posts: 396
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Hi !
I have not tried it out yet because of the very cold weather we have here now.
About the poster issue... Those were very common here from the 50:s and til the late 90:s. Iīm gonna see if I can find some for you. If Iīm lucky Iīll send you a pm.
Regards
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February 28th, 2010, 02:27 PM
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#5 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: sw SD
Posts: 676
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Favorite subgun would be the Czech CZ 24 fixed stock subgun
in 7.62x25.Uzi was direct ripoff of the vz24 hollow bolt over the bb for shorter OA lenghth, mag through the Pistol grip semi and full auto/ burst through simple trigger control, absolutely reliable.Zips through both sides( + 3/4 ply) kevlar vests with lead core that .357/44mag wont even penetrate the one side.400m HK type rotating open sights.
1800-1900 fps 10 in bbl 85 gr lead bullet rips throug vests.SC,s really tough.loaded to 20% higher pessure/velocity than soviet
7.62x25.
Any event no flies on that swedish 'k'.The czech and swede subguns despite
the empasis on inexpensive manacture still show areas of very nice machine work/finish.The czech seems a generation ahead?WW2 obsolescent solid long bolt, sep mag well
vs post war first hollow bolt shorter OA w/similar bbl lenghth,first mag in grip.HV PDW modernized type sabot round if needed.First of the new gen subgun/ forerunner-PDW IMO.
Last edited by grndpndr; February 28th, 2010 at 03:22 PM.
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March 2nd, 2010, 05:44 PM
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#6 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 168
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I carried a "K" a bit on local operations.
I did not like it in the bush.
Like all the blowback open bolt autos, they are kind of unsafe.
The cocking knob gets caught in brush and the piece can discharge if dropped.
Doesn't take a lot to jar the knob out of the little safety notch.
I know of a fatality involving a dropped "K" and another with a Thompson.
I think the modern stuff is better in actual use.
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March 3rd, 2010, 01:01 AM
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#7 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: sw SD
Posts: 676
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All valid-excellent points then and now.Cept as was said these points have been addressed by the striker fired HK and the uzis pistol grip safety but at what cost?The inexpensive
blowbacks were intended to arms millions and as exendable as the soviet ww2 trooper.I dont think the UZIs a terribly expensive weapon but the HK surely is,more of the specialists weapon.Or is that thinking as obsolescent as the blowback subgun itself ?No doubt obsolescent or not blowback subguns can be effectice if need be or..FUN!
NO doubt though as the previous poster pointed out they can be very dangerous
and in some situations/guns other than pulling out the mag they can still accidentally fire.Fixed FP weapon, jarred/dropped possible accidental discharge.
Still think the vel.penetration of the czech 7.62x25 loadings impressive even in ww2 bullet technology vs contemporary soft body armor !Love to see a saboted
M855 projectile in the 7.62x25 case/max velocity.And congrats on owning a classic top of the line example of a blowback smg!
Last edited by grndpndr; March 3rd, 2010 at 02:35 AM.
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March 11th, 2010, 07:08 PM
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#8 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kirkland, Washington
Posts: 23
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My father used one in Vietnam in the late 60's. He was there from summer 67 to summer 68 as a district advisor. I asked him why he carried the Swedish K instead of an M16. He said that he took over from a CIA guy and that the Swedish K and a bunch of 9mm ammo were left lying around so he "appropriated" it. I think he has some pictures of him out in the jungle with the gun. I will have to ask him what he thought of it.
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:53 AM
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#9 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scandinavia
Posts: 396
| Quote:
Originally Posted by mjolnir_56  My father used one in Vietnam in the late 60's. He was there from summer 67 to summer 68 as a district advisor. I asked him why he carried the Swedish K instead of an M16. He said that he took over from a CIA guy and that the Swedish K and a bunch of 9mm ammo were left lying around so he "appropriated" it. I think he has some pictures of him out in the jungle with the gun. I will have to ask him what he thought of it. | Have not read this thread for a long time so I didīt see the answers, sorry for that! I would love to see some pictures of your father carrying it in Vietnam.
About the "safety isse"... There are for sure a bad thing if the cocking handle is coming out from the little notch. Anyway, here is a little movie of me shooting with it. The range didīt alowe full auto so I had to release preasure from the trigger after each round.
Regards
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December 5th, 2010, 08:28 PM
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#10 | | Rifleman
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montana
Posts: 79
| Just happy to have one to call my own.
My experience with the K has been intermittent, from the use of one back in the Stone Age to one right now that I am happy to call my own.
They are great, reliable little weapons. They also call for use with caution. Doesn't that apply to ALL firearms?
They sure seem to fit nicely into the Montana scene.
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December 21st, 2010, 08:07 AM
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#11 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NC
Posts: 147
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Originally Posted by Montana Billy My experience with the K has been intermittent, from the use of one back in the Stone Age to one right now that I am happy to call my own.
They are great, reliable little weapons. They also call for use with caution. Doesn't that apply to ALL firearms?
They sure seem to fit nicely into the Montana scene. | Had a couple Port Saids in Iraq..good guns and shot well....got bored and fixed them up and test fired them before I had to destroy them.... 
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January 6th, 2011, 11:57 PM
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#12 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SE CT
Posts: 17
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I'd love to get my hands on one someday. I just think they're . . . . sexy.
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February 13th, 2012, 01:04 AM
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#13 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Colorado
Posts: 30
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February 13th, 2012, 08:34 AM
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#14 | | Old Salt
Join Date: May 2011 Location: se florida 01/sot
Posts: 1,064
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good news,got my f/a swedish k for free,bad news,have to put it together
Last edited by dprice3844444; February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 AM.
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February 13th, 2012, 09:00 AM
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#15 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: blm il
Posts: 214
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can you get semi auto recievers?
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