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Old February 22nd, 2011, 08:34 PM   #1
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Beretta BM 59

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Can anyone tell me about the rarity & authenticity of the Beretta BM 59 and what they normally sell for? Here's some pictures of the one I'm interested in...thanks in advance!

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Old February 22nd, 2011, 09:20 PM   #2
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I cant answer your question, but that is one NICE rifle. I would not hesitate if I had the funds.

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Old February 22nd, 2011, 10:33 PM   #3
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That's one of the real ones SAI brought in. The 1800 serial number is real common. I've seen 4-5 of them over the years and they have all been in the 1800 range. Interesting.

Tom-N-Mick has been trying to sell that rifle for 4k for a long time now. Little pricey...No, LOT pricey

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 10:41 AM   #4
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I had a couple of bad dealings with Tom & Mick. Buyers beware.

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 01:15 PM   #5
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That's one of the real ones SAI brought in. The 1800 serial number is real common. I've seen 4-5 of them over the years and they have all been in the 1800 range. Interesting.

Tom-N-Mick has been trying to sell that rifle for 4k for a long time now. Little pricey...No, LOT pricey
Ah! ...He Said...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=217407499

They're Calling It A 'Nigerian'? I Think I Kinda Know What That's About...What's Your Take On That?

I Would Love To Stumble Over A Nice One Of Those For A NOT So Pricey, er, Price!?
Call Me Next Time You See One!!!


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Old February 23rd, 2011, 01:38 PM   #6
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This one is a good one, and is on GB too
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=217473293

Don't know seller, or price/reserve etc.

SAIs and Benets are good ones. from what little I know. The "Nigerian" comes from that E2 looking stock and a sales contract during a conflict when they were sold. They are actually BM59mkII, the mkIII or "paratrooper" is the 2 wire folding stock.

Make sure ANY advertised BM59 has that swan neck goofy oprod, and not a Garand front end. The ones that look like Garands are conversions, and may well have 100% Beretta parts and and a BKF/Breda/Beretta receiver. These are NOT true BM59s.

Another great gun to look for is the BM62 and 69 (Civi versions of 59). The 69 has a funky commercial recoil pad (sometimes...?), but a wicked little barrel and high cool factor. The original SOCOM...?

I'm sure some BM enthusiasts will chime in, and correct my post if necessary. I've always fancied one, but couldn't justify it being an expensive M14 with odd mags, but will admit a prettier rifle is hard to find.

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 03:33 PM   #7
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Nigerian

I believe a true "Nigerian" does have a longer barrel then the BM59's.Some people have put BM59's in Nigerian stocks and called them Nigerians.I'd love to get a true Nigerian.Heck,even a Bm59 would be nice.The above pics does look like it has the longer barrel.
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Old February 24th, 2011, 11:37 AM   #8
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Thanks for all the feedback and replies guys...I may call them to set up a time so I can go take a look at it in person as, they're local to me here in Colorado.

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That rifle is a true Nigerian with the longer op rod and the heavy SAW barrel.
You can tell a true Nigerian or Mark4 as Beretta calls them from the greater distance between the op rod and the gas cylinder . On a typical BM59/62 the amount of op rod shown is much less than that shown on the Nigerian rifle shown in the pic .
I cannot vouch for the seller, but that does appear to be a nice example of a rare rifle that is hard to locate.

I agree the price is whatever the market will bear,but it has been forsale for quite awhile.

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Just the Price of Magazines for those Rifles is Outrageous!

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Old February 26th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #11
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I ran across this in another forum I frequent - thought it might be of interest concerning the BM 59...

http://1919a4.com/showthread.php?376...build-pictures.......

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Thanks very much for the BM59 conversion pictures.

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Old March 16th, 2011, 04:07 PM   #13
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Sold a BM-62 5 months...2200.00 was flat mint. Price range 2200 to 2800. Exc weapon...sold it due to kids college payment.

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I sold my BM62 several months ago for $1800 - honest wear and 1 magazine.
Here is my usual BM59/62/69 info, I wrote it for the buyer of my '62 but have since updated it:
*Here are a few links for BM59 information:
www.gunsmagazine.com/bm59/GCA0283.pdf
www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/Berettatypee.pdf
Copy and paste this address:
stevespages.com/pdf/beretta_bm59.pdf
It will take a while to download, but it is the Beretta factory 4-language brochure for the BM59 that Reese sells for $15.
I'd save a copy of each of these, especially the last one - if you can get it to download, it oftentimes takes a while or fails.

The 4 main variants of The BM59 series are the BM59, BM59E/BM59SL, BM62, and BM69. There are sub-models of each, but here are the main distinguishing characteristics.

BM59:
Only made in select-fire except for a very few early export samples and US-made SAI models.
Gas cylinder is bipod cut and has provision for gas cut-off to launch rifle grenades on almost all models (except "Mark I").
Bipod cut gas cylinder and stock.
Rubber butt pad with hatch for cleaning kit ALWAYS.
Provision for select fire, even on most semi-automatics.
Beretta "Tri-Compensator" muzzle device, either 5" or 7" long.
Most Italian military rifles were remanufactured Garands, there are a few "holy grail" rifles that are factory Beretta semi-auto remanufactured Springfield rifles. These bring over $3,000 when encountered, and I think there are only 6 known imported.
There were several military variations of this model, it was offered worldwide as both new and remanufactured with a variety of options.

BM59E/BM59SL:
These are M1 Garands modified by shortening the barrels, op rods, rear handguard, butt stock, etc., about 1/2" to convert from .30-06 (7.62X63) to 7.62 NATO (7.62X51, 1/2" = 12.7 MM). Additionally, the trigger group and receiver were heavily modified for detachable magazines and a different spring guide was installed.
The original BM59SL was semi-automatic only and nearly identical in appearance to the Garand, the BM59E adds a rubber butt pad, muzzle brake, and select-fire capability.
Many "BM59SL" models appear to be fitted with brakes and butt pads, and not all "BM59E" models are select fire.
In other words, a "BM59E" and "BM59SL" could be identical.
The Sarco kits are believed to have originated in Argentina and seem to be a combination of BM59SL and BM59E, all appear to come with brakes and butt pads but not all were select fire - the stock cuts are a tip-off even if the parts aren't included, and a pin is different (solid on the semi and hollow on the select-fire).
Rubber butt pad should have a hatch for the cleaning kit, the same as the standard BM59.
No provision for bipod due to retention of the standard Garand gas system.
As far as I know, all BM59E and BM59SL models are re-manufactured Garands except for some new ones assembled by SAI.
These models is the kissing cousin of the "Tipo II" 7.62 Garand conversions done in Italy. *In fact, the op rods, barrels, and rear handguards are interchangeable between the 3 models.

BM62:
Finger groove fancy stock, with no provision for cleaning kit (solid stock).
No provision for bipod on gas cylinder or stock.
Non-compensating muzzle device, although and standard BM59 device may be fitted (drop-in).
At least 2 different types of rubber butt pads, without cleaning kit hatch.
Always semi-auto.
Manufactured by Beretta specifically for export, all US examples were imported by Berben.
The only factory variations are in the butt pads.
Marked ".308W" for caliber.

BM69:
Based on the BM59 "Mark I" these were made for civilians and imported in 1969.
Unique gas cylinder that is bipod cut but does not have provision for gas cut-off.
May be fitted with a bipod.
May be fitted with either a 5" Tri-Compensator or 'BM62' muzzle device.
Varying rubber butt pads, sometimes a "Shotgun" type sometimes BM59 military type.
All US examples were imported Benet Arms.

Any FACTORY semi-automatic BM59 type rifle should have a serial number
below 4,000, whether it is a Beretta or SA, Inc.
All of the Beretta "semi-auto" receivers were numbered this low, perhaps below 3,000. This
includes all SAI BM59 variations, Beretta BM62s, and Beretta BM69s.
"Fake" BM59s almost always have Garand gas cylinders, no muzzle device or a rudimentary flash hider, standard Garand steel butt plates, and 'high' serial numbers.
With SAI/Reese selling parts for many years, it is common to see BM62 and BM69 rifles "militarized" with Tri-Compensators, bipods, cut-off gas cylinders, etc.
This is generally seen as detracting from the collector value of the gun but shouldn't detract from shootability aside from the added weight of accessories.
The wooden folding stocks marketed for the M14 by SAI and Reese Surplus originated on the BM59.
Most parts interchange across the board for the entire BM series.
A BM59 Tri-Compensator drops onto a BM62, stocks mostly interchange, most mechanical parts are the same.
Most parts are marked "P B BM59" even if fitted to other BM series rifles.
All factory BM series receivers - Beretta or SAI - are forged by Beretta in Italy.
SAI finished some raw and/or semi-finished receivers in Illinois.
Firing pins are standard Garand, extractors are unique for magazine clearance.
Recoil springs are available from Wolff Springs ( http://www.gunsprings.com/ ).
All trigger group parts (hammer, trigger, sear, safety, trigger guard, etc.) are standard Garand, except the obvious magazine catch parts.
As far as I know, all factory BM series rifles have stripper clip guides and accept standard NATO 7.62 stripper clips. In fact, this is how the Italians loaded them, the rifles were only issued with 1 magazine!
Because of this, magazines are a bit rare and pricey - starting at around $75 and working their way to over $100 each. With that said, Sarco sells used ones for substantially less, but they might not be
pretty.
All factory magazines have chrome followers as far as I know. Some may be encountered with plastic followers, these are 'aftermarket' but I think used some factory parts.
It is possible to modify a BM series rifle to use standard M14 magazines, but it requires fabrication of a front magazine catch and modification of the rear magazine catch.
BM59 magazines are larger than any other 7.62 NATO rifle's magazines and don't fit into most magazine pouches.
The "Israeli FAL magazine pouch" available from http://gunthings.com/ for $5 are said to work well with BM59 magazines.
As far as parts suppliers, Reese Surplus and 鄭ndy in Italyare no longer in business. Gun Broker is going to be your main supply.
If you need receivers, assembly, parts fabrication, or customization, I'd suggest Tim at Shuff's Parkerizing ( http://www.shuffsparkerizing.com/ )
I'd suggest a 5-inch "BM69" Tri-Comp ($49) for a BM62 if you can find one, its a drop-in and fantastic compensator and flash hider.
Standard Parts ( https://www.standardpartsllc.com/pro...?idCategory=26 ) seems to have Beretta parts. Inventory seems to vary depending on what they can get.
From my understanding, the main parts that break are the same as on Garands - firing pins and extractors.
http://www.machinegunboards.com/foru...hp?showforum=7 is a dedicated BM59 message board, although it is slow the guys there can help with a lot of parts, information, and advice.
Enjoy your rifle!


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^Neat post. A friend of mine has a BM62 with no import marks - I think he's got the only one like this in the states.. I fired 20 or so rounds through it about 10 years ago. It was probably the softest shooting 7.62mm I've ever fired. The guy he purchased it from used it as a guide gun in Africa in the 80's. Oh, yeah - he's got 10 mags for it, too!

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