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Old December 1st, 2008, 09:31 PM   #1
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Potential FAL project - smiths?

OK, I have this Springfield SAR-4800. That means an Imbel FAL imported by Springfield Armory, Inc in between the Bush I ban and the Clinton AWB, with thumbhole stock & blocky "thread protector" soldered onto the muzzle threads. During the reign of the Clinton AWB, I had DSA do a "US Parts Kit" on it, so it now looks like a standard metric FAL except having a muzzle brake instead of a flash suppressor. Until like yesterday, I was working toward selling this puppy on Gunbroker (I also have a DSA FAL Para, which is the config I had actually ordered back in the day, but got this when it arrived due to the afore-mentioned Bush I ban).

Switch gears - I've been thinking about a DMR-type M14-type, either trying to find a smith to imitate the USMC DMR weapon or just springing for a Crazy Horse.

Then it occurred to me like yesterday - what about converting the SAR-4800 into a DMR-type rifle? I mean, I already have the thing, so why not improve it. The question is, do we have the technology?

I checked DSA's website, and lots of parts are available - heavier barrels, M1913 rail top covers, free-float handguards, stocks with adjustable length of pull & check peice, Vortex flash suppresors, set triggers, bipods... Cost a heap just for the parts, but a Crazy Horse is big $$ & you haven't bought the optics yet...

However, the art of accurizing M14-types is well developed, and lots of people can reliably get you in the neighborhood of 1 MOA. On the FAL side, there seems to be a lot of talk about building kit guns, but not so much on the accurizing side.

So, who really knows his stuff, and could rebuild my FAL into a 1 MOA DMR?

Or, is this a Quixotic dream & I should just sell it and get an M14-type DMR?

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Old December 2nd, 2008, 06:48 AM   #2
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I have built two FALs - both Imbel kits on DSA receivers so I know just enough to say that I'm no expert.

My feeling is that with the FALs tilting bolt lockup, getting to 1 MOA is going to be stretching things a mite. If you're wanting that kind of accuracy from a .308 semi, you should probably look at the "AR" types like the AR-10 or SR-25. Even with the M1A family, getting one to MOA accuracy is a chore and keeping it there is another, ongoing, chore. By the time you consider the costs (including paying the gunsmith) of all the FAL mods you mentioned, you're probably close to the cost of an AR-10 with that accuracy potential out of the box.

The FAL is what it is, a combat proven battle rifle. It doesn't lend itself well to morphing into anything else.

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Old December 3rd, 2008, 08:28 AM   #3
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By the time you consider the costs (including paying the gunsmith) of all the FAL mods you mentioned, you're probably close to the cost of an AR-10 with that accuracy potential out of the box.
True... if I got close to what it appraised for when I sold it, I could buy a new Rock River LAR-8 which is advertized to deliver 1 MOA out of the box. However, I have it in hand while RRA is back-ordered until who knows when, and our new administration may not leave us that long.

Another option is the new FNAR, which is actually available as I write this, also advertizes 1 MOA out of the box and only a little more expensive than the LAR-8. However, the LAR-8 uses common & cheap FAL mags while the FNAR's are something proprietary & new & expensive if you can find them. It is also based on the BAR hunting rifle, so not much in the way of aftermarket goodies like with an AR-based rifle such as the LAR-8.

Still, there's an attraction to fixing up the one I've got, if I can find a smith who knows how to accuracy-tune an FAL.

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Old December 3rd, 2008, 08:43 AM   #4
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talk to Ed Vanden Berg if you want an FAL space-gun

http://vandenbergcustom.com/

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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #5
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talk to Ed Vanden Berg if you want an FAL space-gun

http://vandenbergcustom.com/
I've been exchanging some emails with Mr. Vanden Berg, and the project is looking quite feasible. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that I do it. More when I know more...

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Old March 5th, 2009, 10:34 PM   #6
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TO BE HONEST I don't think you can make a fn/fal quite as accurate as an M14, at lease for extended round count. the way the bolt locks up on a fal is relatively far away from the chamber thus give the wiggle factor to high as far as exact repeat lock up position, if you follow? on the m14 the lugs are right behind the chamber keeping the wiggle factor to a min. much like a good bolt gun. nothing wrong with a fall as a great battle rifle (have several) most likely just not a good sub moa gun!thats my 2 cents------RANDELL

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Old March 6th, 2009, 03:05 PM   #7
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Go to the Fal Files and search for the posts on 1 moa Fals'. There is quite the controversy over this very subject over there. Some good thoughts and ideas though. I also own a Fal and as much as I like it, there is no comparision in accuracy between it and my beloved M-14. Though I am a bit biased. So take my opinion for what its worth.

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