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Old March 11th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #1
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Back in February, I picked up a Savage made Lee Enfield No 4 that was in great shape except for a slightly bent front sight guard. All matching Savage parts and almost no muzzle erosion. I decided that I really wanted to go the vintage sniper route but I could never bring myself to permanently modify a rifle this old. The no-mod S&K mount worked great with an original Weaver K25 scope I found. It's not a No 4 (T) by any stretch, but I absolutely love shooting it.



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Old March 11th, 2017, 09:54 PM   #2
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Nice looking rifle. What ammo does it like? My No5 MK1 will shoot about any .303 ammo. My No4 MK1* does not like boat tail bullets, but does ok with flat base 180 grain round nose bullets.

There's something about those old war horses that I like. The forged steel and oiled wood, the history they've seen. Here are my two.




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waldo82, nice piece of U.S. assistance... I probably blew a chance at a Savage such as yours back in the early 80s. A relative was asking me if I knew anything about a British Army rifle, stamped U.S. Property. At the time I said no, and he said that it was missing the magazine anyway! I always regretted not checking it out.

Littlejohn, nice looking "Old War Horses"...

I've got a couple, myself... the sporterized "carbine" got for $65 at a gun show... it's got a strong bore, but very dark... the rifle has a 2 groove barrel that appears as new.
I've got an S&K mount also, that I was going to use on the "carbine" as the front sight ramp on it has no dovetail (?), just haven't found the right scope yet!
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Nice looking rifle. What ammo does it like? My No5 MK1 will shoot about any .303 ammo. My No4 MK1* does not like boat tail bullets, but does ok with flat base 180 grain round nose bullets.
All I've been able to shoot are boat tail rounds but I've read they like the flat bases better. Are you shooting surplus? It seems like most of the commercial loads I've seen are all BT.

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The standard ammunition for the British service rifle was the Mk VII, Mk VIIz or Mk 7z, used a flat based 174 grain bullet. So, it is not surprising flat based 180 grain bullets work well.

The Mk VIIIz or Mk 8z was the 175 grain, boat tail bullet, it was provided in belts for the Vickers. Surplus Mk 8z probably not the most accurate stuff.

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All I've been able to shoot are boat tail rounds but I've read they like the flat bases better. Are you shooting surplus? It seems like most of the commercial loads I've seen are all BT.

I usually load my own with Hornady .312 diameter, 180 grain, round nose, flat base bullets, and IMR 4064. I bought some reloads at a gun show once, and got this result from the No4. Won't be buying any more gun show reloads.
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A little trick I learned when I had my my Savage #4 Mk1*

Was to fire form 30/42 krag brass & only neck size it for up to 6 or 7 reloads.

I still have about 80 or so 303 Brit cases, if you want them let me know

Just pay shipping.

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My two old Commonwealth warhorses...




1943 Longbranch N0.4 Mk1...
1920 Lithgow No.1 Mk.III...

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I usually load my own with Hornady .312 diameter, 180 grain, round nose, flat base bullets, and IMR 4064. I bought some reloads at a gun show once, and got this result from the No4. Won't be buying any more gun show reloads.
Probably .308 bullets . . .

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slug the barrel and see what ya get.
waldo,
they did use some of the us property savage rifles with scopes. sarco has the kits.also,keep an eye out for the rear micrometer t click sights for the number 4 http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/micrometer...iperrifle.aspx
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/leeenfield.aspx this will be acceptable for vintage sniper matches. criterion makes new barrels


http://www.enfieldresource.com/1-enf...ts-inventories

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