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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:17 PM   #1
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Looking for K98 Mauser

So, I'm at the very beginnings of a search for a K98 Mauser. It's been at the very back of my mind for years to get a German K98, but I've never actively searched for one. Tonight, I decided that I want to pursue it.

A little background on me. I do own a GEW 98...two of them, in fact. One is an all matching parts DWM 1916 that I inherited, the other a Danzig 1915 sporterized rescue. So I know a little about the older Mausers. Not so much WWII era Mausers.

Here's the deal: I really want a German one. Prices seem to be pretty high on all matching parts WWII era Mausers that also happen to be of German manufacture. I get that Yugos and such are cheaper, but that's really not what I'm looking for at present (many of those are damn nice rifles, don't get me wrong!).

What should I be looking for? Are there dangers/pitfalls that one should be looking out for in seeking out a WII era German Mauser?

Also, what's the going rate on WWII era German K98s? Does the price fluctuate greatly if parts are all matching or not? If prices on matching ones is just plain high, how hard is it to find a good shooting, good quality non-matching K98?

Thanks in advance. I wanted to pick the brains of the most knowledgeable gun forum on the net before I did anything stupid!

NOTE: By WWII era, I do not necessarily mean manufactured during the war. Could also be pre-war.

NOTE ON PRICE RANGE: I'm flexible. Just trying to gauge the market a bit. I have checked gunbroker a bit, though not extensively.

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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #3
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I recently sold 3 Russian capture k98 rifles for less than $350.00 ea. on Gun Broker. I wanted more but sold them penny start no reserve. They were all good solid rifles with shiny bores. If I were you, I would watch those auctions, do the home work, and you should be able to get a good deal !!

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I recently sold 3 Russian capture k98 rifles for less than $350.00 ea. on Gun Broker. I wanted more but sold them penny start no reserve. They were all good solid rifles with shiny bores. If I were you, I would watch those auctions, do the home work, and you should be able to get a good deal !!
Interesting. Were the Russian captures that you had parts matching or mix masters? What condition were the stocks? Did they have the German markings or were they obliterated?

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The so called Yugo K98's are a very good bargain. Not talking about the M48 series but real K98's made in Germany, then reworked by the Slavs after the war at the Preduzece factory that later became the CZ (not Brno) Zastava factory, and later made the Mk X sporting rifles. I have one of these rifles and its an excellent shooter with a couple different loads. If it says K98 on the side rail its German made but may have been made for another country or could be a refurb like the Preduzece. These can usually be had for under $500 whereas the top guns like a Mauser Banner all matching can be over 1K. Its said that guns made late in the war suffer from poor workmanship largely due to the haste to get them to the troops. Some say they are even unsafe to shoot but this seems a little extreme, though I would certainly look carefully at anything made in the latter part of the war. The best of the best are the mid to late 1930's rifles built by Mauser, Sauer etc. There are other forums that devote a lot of ink to this subject. Be sure and double check everything you see here to verify. You know how it is with memory...

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The so called Yugo K98's are a very good bargain. Not talking about the M48 series but real K98's made in Germany, then reworked by the Slavs after the war at the Preduzece factory that later became the CZ (not Brno) factory, and later made the Mk X sporting rifles. I have one of these rifles and its an excellent shooter with a couple different loads. If it says K98 on the side rail its German made but may have been made for another country or could be a refurb like the Preduzece. These can usually be had for under $500 whereas the top guns like a Mauser Banner all matching can be over 1K. Its said that guns made late in the war suffer from poor workmanship largely due to the haste to get them to the troops. Some say they are even unsafe to shoot but this seems a little extreme, though I would certainly look carefully at anything made in the latter part of the war. The best of the best are the mid to late 1930's rifles built by Mauser, Sauer etc. There are other forums that devote a lot of ink to this subject. Be sure and double check everything you see here to verify. You know how it is with memory...
Was really looking for a good starting point and done good info from someone knowledgeable. I knew there had to be some folks here, like you, that are in the know!

Good to know about the Yugos. Is this the same concept behind "Russian capture"? In other words, were the Russians and Yugos doing the same thing with captured K98s (e.g., replacing parts, reworking, etc.), albeit to different standards of quality? Seems the Russian captures vary pretty wildly in quality/condition.

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Yeah Russian capture about the same deal, often seen with very red colored stocks, laminated usually. Gunboards is a good place for Mauser info. Zastava is the Yugo factory I referred to above and edited it too. Its the same place as I said that makes the Mk X Mausers, like Whitworth and even did some for Remington a few years ago. Still in business.

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Come to the Spring Wanenmacher's Tulsa Arms Show, APRIL 1 & 2, 2017 and search for your German WWII K98 Mauser. I see them every year here. With over 4,200 tables to review it may take some time, but you will be able to pick it up and hold it in your own hands to see if it's for you.


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Yeah Russian capture about the same deal, often seen with very red colored stocks, laminated usually. Gunboards is a good place for Mauser info. Zastava is the Yugo factory I referred to above and edited it too. Its the same place as I said that makes the Mk X Mausers, like Whitworth and even did some for Remington a few years ago. Still in business.
Much obliged for the info. I'll definitely look into this.

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Ridgerunner79,

Come to the Spring Wanenmacher's Tulsa Arms Show, APRIL 1 & 2, 2017 and search for your German WWII K98 Mauser. I see them every year here. With over 4,200 tables to review it may take some time, but you will be able to pick it up and hold it in your own hands to see if it's for you.

Excellent! I'm only 2 hours from Tulsa. I'll mark that down on my calendar.

My first high powered rifle was a Mauser, so I really have a soft spot for them. This sounds like a really cool deal. Thanks a lot for the info!

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Come to the Spring Wanenmacher's Tulsa Arms Show, APRIL 1 & 2, 2017 and search for your German WWII K98 Mauser. I see them every year here. With over 4,200 tables to review it may take some time, but you will be able to pick it up and hold it in your own hands to see if it's for you.

I second this: there is a crazy selection of most C&R rifles there.

Passed on an all matching but the firing pin K98 last May like an idiot, for a great price. I'll never quit kicking myself, as I've been wanting a German K98 myself. I still need to learn to jump on deals when they present themselves.

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Interesting. Were the Russian captures that you had parts matching or mix masters? What condition were the stocks? Did they have the German markings or were they obliterated?
They were mixed parts, with various German waffenamps. The swashstika's were all peened. My understanding is that the Russians broke the rifles down and then re-assembled them with no regard for matching numbers. Mine had stamped and milled parts from different years and manufactures. Then they would electropencil force match the bolt, bottom metal and other parts to a barreled receiver. The stocks were all laminated and in good condition though they looked a little rough. I believe they also would inscribe a x on the receiver ring, why I do not know. Good rifles and good shooters. Mine shot about 2 moa.
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They were mixed parts, with various German waffenamps. The swashstika's were all peened. My understanding is that the Russians broke the rifles down and then re-assembled them with no regard for matching numbers. Mine had stamped and milled parts from different years and manufactures. Then they would electropencil force match the bolt, bottom metal and other parts to a barreled receiver. The stocks were all laminated and in good condition though they looked a little rough. I believe they also would inscribe a x on the receiver ring, why I do not know. Good rifles and good shooters. Mine shot about 2 moa.
Wish you still had them. I would probably buy one! Would enjoy refinishing the stock (not sure if that's a good, bad, or neutral thing to do with a Russian capture). Really, those pics are pretty darn nice! Thanks for sending them.

As to the swastikas, I'm having a hard time making out the peening you describe. Did they peen the swastika and leave the eagle? That's what it looks like.

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Bought one of the Russian reworks
a few years back. No parts newer
than '42, and a mixmaster.

That rifle is a beauty. Period.
Shots great. Great bore. Smooth as
butter. Great wood.

I was told that these rifles were
assembled from original rifles
captured by the Russians at
Stalingrad. Well, maybe. And, if
so, they have a history, even in
their Mixmaster configuration.

Bottom line is they are a superb value
and clearly the 98K was an amazing
weapon in its time...and, still.

A family friend is currently in Iraq
fighting against ISIS with a Kurdish
group. His weapon of choice is the
98K...backed up by a PPSH.


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All depends on what you want. If you just want something that looks good from a distance or something that you can shoot the Russian captures or Yugo scrubbed actual K98s would be the way to go but even then the prices are ranging up as the supply drops. I would imagine that the range is anywhere from $350-$500 on average. If you want a non refurbed rifle that still has its original marking and, not added markings from some foreign service, your best bet would be a bolt only mismatch K98 but even then the prices run from $750-$950, usually toward the higher end. An all matching mid war K98 from a common maker would probably run $1200-$1500 minimum and yes they are faked. Before investing a lot of money you need to know what you are looking at and research first buy second.

I only had one for a long time but it was a Russian capture and I just had to have an original. Unfortunately, they are like potato chips and you can't have just one so I now have probably ten. I would suggest that you visit the K98k forum page and you will find not only a wealth of information but a group of guys who have always answered any question I had. The also have a WTS forum so you may find what you want there as well.

In summation be careful and research before you spend money.

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