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Old January 5th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #16
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Wish you still had them. I would probably buy one! Would enjoy refinishing the stock (not sure if that's a good, bad, or neutral thing to do with a Russian capture). Really, those pics are pretty darn nice! Thanks for sending them.

As to the swastikas, I'm having a hard time making out the peening you describe. Did they peen the swastika and leave the eagle? That's what it looks like.
On picture 2 if you look at the eagles on the receiver ring, just below them there was a small circle with a swashtika inside. They took a small 1/16" ? punch and peened it. Just a round punch mark now with what looks like to me the numbers 66 just below the peen. Other waffenamps in pictures did not have the swashstika mark below them and were not peened. The Russians HATED the Nazi's.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:04 PM   #17
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Bought one of the Russian reworks
a few years back. No parts newer
than '42, and a mixmaster.

That rifle is a beauty. Period.
Shots great. Great bore. Smooth as
butter. Great wood.

I was told that these rifles were
assembled from original rifles
captured by the Russians at
Stalingrad. Well, maybe. And, if
so, they have a history, even in
their Mixmaster configuration.

Bottom line is they are a superb value
and clearly the 98K was an amazing
weapon in its time...and, still.

A family friend is currently in Iraq
fighting against ISIS with a Kurdish
group. His weapon of choice is the
98K...backed up by a PPSH.
His weapon of choice is the K98?! That's a surprise. In 8mm? Maybe that ammo is easier to get over there. I can hardly find 8mm except online.

You would have to figure that a Russian capture was USED somewhere. Granted, there would have been stores of them on the eastern front kept by the Germans. But still, when you consider the vastness of that war, the amount of fighting, and the lack of German replacements, it would be no stretch of the imagination that the previous owner of the rifle was shooting at the Russians. And, yeah, it could have been at Stalingrad, or on the outskirts of Moscow, or Kiev, or Novgorod. Kind of makes me want a Russian capture now.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:10 PM   #18
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All depends on what you want. If you just want something that looks good from a distance or something that you can shoot the Russian captures or Yugo scrubbed actual K98s would be the way to go but even then the prices are ranging up as the supply drops. I would imagine that the range is anywhere from $350-$500 on average. If you want a non refurbed rifle that still has its original marking and, not added markings from some foreign service, your best bet would be a bolt only mismatch K98 but even then the prices run from $750-$950, usually toward the higher end. An all matching mid war K98 from a common maker would probably run $1200-$1500 minimum and yes they are faked. Before investing a lot of money you need to know what you are looking at and research first buy second.

I only had one for a long time but it was a Russian capture and I just had to have an original. Unfortunately, they are like potato chips and you can't have just one so I now have probably ten. I would suggest that you visit the K98k forum page and you will find not only a wealth of information but a group of guys who have always answered any question I had. The also have a WTS forum so you may find what you want there as well.

In summation be careful and research before you spend money.
I am not interested in spending over 1K on this. Not right now, anyway. I would much rather find something in the $350-500 range. And, yes, I want to shoot it.

I've been reading up about Russian recaptures, among other things. Tough to get a strong working knowledge on K98s because they seem to be so many different variables. It's not quite like Garands, probably mostly because of the variations in build quality and the outcome of the war.

And fakes...well, that's something I know nothing about with regard to the topic. I suppose the danger is faked stamps (e.g., a SS stamp or something)? Not sure what other pitfalls one might encounter.

I can easily imagine this becoming an addiction. Sticking with the prospect of one for now :) Thank you for providing some pricing "guidelines." That's what I was originally looking for (and I understand they are just estimations). Excellent information!

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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:11 PM   #19
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On picture 2 if you look at the eagles on the receiver ring, just below them there was a small circle with a swashtika inside. They took a small 1/16" ? punch and peened it. Just a round punch mark now with what looks like to me the numbers 66 just below the peen. Other waffenamps in pictures did not have the swashstika mark below them and were not peened. The Russians HATED the Nazi's.
Just wanted to make sure that's what they did. I thought I could see that in the pictures you posted but wasn't sure. Nice that they didn't obliterate the eagles and other markings. I really don't need the swastikas, though I can understand the collectibility if they're present.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:14 PM   #20
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Here is a Russian Captured 98K that was captured in Vietnam and brought home by SGT. Earle E. Welker Jr.

I bought this 98K from his estate. None of the Nazi proofs or markings were removed. It must have been sent to VN very early and escaped the Nazi Proof/Markings cleansing. Some parts do not match the barrel/receiver serial numbers.

I have a lot of detail pics I can post of this rifle if you care to see them.

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I wish that Mitchels Mausers or someone had a rebarreling service into .308.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #22
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I would also say that your best bet in your price range is to look for a Russian capture 98k. A lot of these came in around 10 years ago or so. I cleaned up around 40 that my gun dealer had and there are some good guns in the mix. If we ever get imported guns back in from Russia like we used to I would not be surprised if more of these are out there. Go to the big gun show that was mentioned in earlier posts, you should be able to find something there. I see these for sale from time to time on a few sites that I frequent.

MD66948, your Russian capture is from a different batch then from the ones that we are calling Russian capture 98k's. Yours is special.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 02:57 PM   #23
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Here is a Russian Captured 98K that was captured in Vietnam and brought home by SGT. Earle E. Welker Jr.

I bought this 98K from his estate. None of the Nazi proofs or markings were removed. It must have been sent to VN very early and escaped the Nazi Proof/Markings cleansing. Some parts do not match the barrel/receiver serial numbers.

I have a lot of detail pics I can post of this rifle if you care to see them.

Dane
Nice rifle! And, yes, please post more pics!

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Old January 5th, 2017, 03:27 PM   #24
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So, I'm at the very beginnings of a search for a K98 Mauser. It's been at the very back of my mind for years to get a German K98, but I've never actively searched for one. Tonight, I decided that I want to pursue it.

A little background on me. I do own a GEW 98...two of them, in fact. One is an all matching parts DWM 1916 that I inherited, the other a Danzig 1915 sporterized rescue. So I know a little about the older Mausers. Not so much WWII era Mausers.

Here's the deal: I really want a German one. Prices seem to be pretty high on all matching parts WWII era Mausers that also happen to be of German manufacture. I get that Yugos and such are cheaper, but that's really not what I'm looking for at present (many of those are damn nice rifles, don't get me wrong!).

What should I be looking for? Are there dangers/pitfalls that one should be looking out for in seeking out a WII era German Mauser?

Also, what's the going rate on WWII era German K98s? Does the price fluctuate greatly if parts are all matching or not? If prices on matching ones is just plain high, how hard is it to find a good shooting, good quality non-matching K98?

Thanks in advance. I wanted to pick the brains of the most knowledgeable gun forum on the net before I did anything stupid!

NOTE: By WWII era, I do not necessarily mean manufactured during the war. Could also be pre-war.

NOTE ON PRICE RANGE: I'm flexible. Just trying to gauge the market a bit. I have checked gunbroker a bit, though not extensively.

Search for Harrison Shooters Supply in Lyndon, KS on Facebook. Scott currently has one or two last I checked (Monday)

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Ridgerunner79, yup...straight as-issued
98K...he said he has has no issue
getting ammo for that or the PPSH...
that there is a lot of the
older stuff out in the area and so it
is very accessible...he said the
PPSH is a much-prized weapon
by others there, and are very available.

On our "Russian" 98K, the receiver is a
DUV 40...all other hardware is early
stuff right down to the buttplate.
None of stamped numbers match at
all, but the electric pencil scribed
numbers all do. Also, the Waffenkampf
markings (Did I spell that right...?)
are all completely intact and
un-buggered.

Throw that sucker up to your shoulder
and look down those sights...dang,
what a work or art! She shoots like
a dream.

Would post pictures of it - but that
takes skills far beyond mine.

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I think that's waffenamt as in weapons office.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 08:15 PM   #27
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Here is a Russian Captured 98K that was captured in Vietnam and brought home by SGT. Earle E. Welker Jr.

I bought this 98K from his estate. None of the Nazi proofs or markings were removed. It must have been sent to VN very early and escaped the Nazi Proof/Markings cleansing. Some parts do not match the barrel/receiver serial numbers.

I have a lot of detail pics I can post of this rifle if you care to see them.

Dane
Now there is one for the books! Fantastic provenance. Heirloom!

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Old January 6th, 2017, 09:26 AM   #28
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Ridgerunner79,

I have been collecting K98's nearly 20 years. Have 9 of them still. Have had over 30 of them at one time. I don't consider myself a total expert but can help guide you through this if you like. They had 9 different manufacturers during WW2. Some very rare (my collection) and some very common rifles. Just too much info to absorb all at once. As with any rifle it is not really a quick easy answer to your starting post but I can cut through all of that too if you'd like? It would take forever to type out all the answers for you so if you'd prefer to call and talk about it I'm certain I can help. PM me for my number if you want to go that route or just ask here.

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Prices on these run the gambit. A LOT of fake markings and fraud to sift through. Total matching rifles can get expensive. A bolt mismatch can cut the price in half and Russian captures are affordable as a starting point to collecting.

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Here is a Russian Captured 98K that was captured in Vietnam and brought home by SGT. Earle E. Welker Jr.

I bought this 98K from his estate. None of the Nazi proofs or markings were removed. It must have been sent to VN very early and escaped the Nazi Proof/Markings cleansing. Some parts do not match the barrel/receiver serial numbers.

I have a lot of detail pics I can post of this rifle if you care to see them.

Dane
In retrospect, very few had the markings ground or peened. I'd say of all the k98's I've seen maybe 2% of the Russian capture rifles had defaced markings. Romanian capture is the opposite, nearly all had peened markings but the Romanians kept most of the matching numbers intact. The Russians would put an "x" on the receivers to indicate being rearsenaled, but even the "x" was not always done. But ALL rc rifles were mixmasters as they did not care about matching parts. This one is in exceptional condition, most of the Vietnam bring backs had horrible corrosion as they did not clean them or maintain them well at all. This has to be the cleanest RC/VN used rifle I have seen to date.

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