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Old January 22nd, 2017, 03:08 AM   #16
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I believe the '74 is flatter shooting for greater distance. We're talking well beyond the standard >400yd typical trajectory of the '47.

That said, it depends on which one you want and for what reason. '47 is harder is cinderblocks and walls, '74 is better for distance and more controllable at higher rates of fire. Round is supposed to tumble reliably as well.

Ammo is more scarce for the '74. 7.62x39 is 20 rounds for $4, ammo doesn't tumble as reliably, but packs a harder punch at closer ranges.

Guns are tools, different tools for different needs. Generally a .223 will substitute already if you don't have the '74.

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Going on memory here some reading I've done over the years. The Russians became impressed with our 5.56x45mm - M193 ball because of the tissue damage the little 55 grainer FMJ did during Vietnam, although not designed to do so, it had a nasty habit of yawing in tissue upon impact and separating at the cannelure & crimp, ricocheting around the body etc. producing nasty wounds.

They set out to reproduce that with their 5.45x39mm round and it was based on the .220 Russian & 6mm PPC bench rest cartridges, as I said above they purposely set out to produce a bullet that was barely stable & launched from a barrel with a twist rate to accommodate, if you've ever gotten those "keyholes" in your target that's why. Notice the cutaway of the 7n6 "Poison Pill" above? It has an airspace in the tip and is back heavy to promote tumbling on impact. It's a NASTY little round!

We on the other hand decided to go with the SS109/M855 as the Army felt the need to punch Soviet helmets & body armor on European battlefields, the downside is it's a much more stable round and not nearly as damaging in tissue as either M193 or 7n6...

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Is the 7n6 still banned from import?

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Old February 4th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #19
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Is the 7n6 still banned from import?
As of right now, yes 7n6 is still banned from import, it is considered "armor piercing" and there was a pistol made in 5.45x39

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Old February 5th, 2017, 11:21 PM   #20
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The 7n6 is still banned from import but there is tons of it out there on the market
To be honest the Russian white box is still out there its not marked 7n6 so you can still find it in Mom and Pop gun stores and pawn shops.
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Old March 23rd, 2017, 02:35 AM   #21
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5.45X39 Trajectory chart:

https://savannaharsenal.com/2017/02/...5x39mm-soviet/

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As of right now, yes 7n6 is still banned from import, it is considered "armor piercing" and there was a pistol made in 5.45x39
If I remember correctly 7n6 doesn't meet the definition of armor piercing ammo yet here we are.

18 U.S.C., 921(a)(17)(B)

A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

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If 5.45X39 runs out, I will just rebarrel my AK74 with a 5.56X45 barrel.

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Old March 26th, 2017, 07:33 PM   #24
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If I remember correctly 7n6 doesn't meet the definition of armor piercing ammo yet here we are.

18 U.S.C., 921(a)(17)(B)

A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
ATF ruled that is was "armor piercing" and a pistol was designed and was coming to market in 5.45x39 so 7n6 was banned.

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The triangles take a little getting used to, paracord helps with the Texas heat. I love the folding poly stocks that came with the 107FR and 104FR but if you want to change anything your options are limited, the folding Russian and Bulgarian metal triangle stocks go with any stock choice.

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If I remember correctly 7n6 doesn't meet the definition of armor piercing ammo yet here we are.

18 U.S.C., 921(a)(17)(B)

A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
7N6 is steel core, it meets the "definition" of "armor piercing" ammunition.

The definition of "armor piercing" does not actually require the bullet to "pierce" and type of "armor", it is just a construction limitation.

(And yes someone made a pistol that used 5.45 x 39)

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Will a Russian AK74 magazine function properly in a Bulgarian AK74?

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Old April 11th, 2017, 09:00 AM   #28
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Any experience with 5.45x39 AR?
Yes, I have a 20 inch Model 1 upper. It shoots quite good, but the magazines for it suck. The curved 20 round 5.56 Cmag magazines actually work better than the 'real' 30 round 5.45 AR mags.

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Will a Russian AK74 magazine function properly in a Bulgarian AK74?
Yes they will. I have Bulgarian AK-74 mags with "Made in Bulgaria" stickers on them that are "sanitized" Russian mags (Russian markings sanded off)

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Will a Russian AK74 magazine function properly in a Bulgarian AK74?
I will second this as a yes, Russian/Soviet Bakelite, plums and true blacks work just fine in my Bulgarian SLR 104

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