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Old August 18th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #1
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Help: Friend shot his century arms sportier.223 sporter and it blew up on him.



original quote "Ive a century arms sportier. #04809. I was shooting with my cousin and when he it this is what happened. He is at the hospital now with minor cuts and powder burns to his eye. Does anyone know if there any recalls or has this happened to anyone else. Called century arms but they aren't open now so left a message."


she uploaded some pictures of the ammo she used, and its pretty clear its monarch factory ammo.





they bought this gun 6 months ago, and it came with 200 rounds in big ziplock bags, said they were on stripper clips and they all seem to be ppu marked brass.



anyways, the guy has minor cuts and his eyes have some burns but nothing that will be permanent of course.

What do you think happened?

How it happened: They shot it a bunch 5 months ago, stored it and never cleaned it. Took it out to shoot today and the very first shot blew up like that. Would contacting Century arms be worth it? is it their fault or how can they determine what caused this. thank you in advanced! sorry this might not be the right place
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #2
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NO maintenance on the weapon, sure ain't Century Arms fault!
Was the bore even checked for obstructions before firing?
Why wasn't the shooter even wearing safety glasses?
Sounds like a bunch of stupid came together and the 'shooter' is damn lucky to still have his eyes!
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #3
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Not sure where the CETME came from but that appears like a Galil AR sporter. Looks like a case failure at a minimum or and out of battery firing. You need the remaining case and to look at the bolt & lugs closely. Been there and done that.

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Old August 19th, 2013, 04:32 AM   #4
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Shooting it without cleaning does not usually cause a gun to blow up.

Barrel obstruction causes the entire barrel to split, much more violently than this.

From the way the mag is blown out, I would guess it is an out of battery ignition, or a hot round.

I would guess this is not shooter error, but is ammo or gun related. It is a reminder though that safety glasses are a good idea always.

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Old August 19th, 2013, 05:50 AM   #5
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I figured it out! That CETME is a galil.

Now, all kidding aside; We need a pic of the failed cartridge case. I'm guessing out of battery discharge or other head failure unless the barrel is also wrecked.

Also, bagged ammo always makes it suspect in my opinion. Need more info.

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Very nice pics of the issue. That mag looks like a busted water balloon. I will be watching this thread very carefully.

Dang, I almost bought some of that ammo at the gun show and at a LGS a few days before. It was a bit expensive so I passed. If it turns out to be ammo related, I can thnk my guardian angels...AGAIN.

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Old August 19th, 2013, 07:54 AM   #7
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:) they called it a century arms sporter i guess CETME isnt short for that company would prob be CAI oh well.


I asked them to provide me with the pictures of the bolt, barrel, and the case that blew up

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bolt is stuck so they can not open it to give a better view. they think the case is still stuck in the gun but they can not tell since the bolt is stuck

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Old August 19th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #9
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So they dont even know if there is a live round in the chamber???

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Just cause.....CAREFULLY run a cleaning rod from the muzzle and mark where it stops.
Remove c'rod and place that mark on the outside to see how far the rod entered the bore.
You want to remove ANY AND ALL CHANCE that there could be a live round in the chamber.
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I would aim it in a safe direction and remove the top cover and use a block of wood and give the bolt carrier a rap to unlock it. You have to clear it before moving it around or off the firing line. It appears slightly unlocked with the bolt carrier slightly to the rear. The top cover should be easy to remove and you can better access the carrier.

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While it pays to be careful, I'd bet there is no live round in there. The reason the mag is bulged is that an overpressure event in the chamber blew the mag apart, which means the bolt did not cycle to pick up a new round, as those rounds were very quickly blown through the floor plate.

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My uneducated guess is that it is either due to bad reloads or bad workmanship by the semi-trained monkeys that put CAI's guns together.

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My uneducated guess is that it is either due to bad reloads or bad workmanship by the semi-trained monkeys that put CAI's guns together.
I'm casting a vote for bad ammo as well! Ammo in baggies leads me to believe it was reloaded? Possibly over charged with powder? Primer not fully seated? Bad circumstance all round! Tell him to buy eye protection and to thank God for the continued use of his eyes! It so easily could have been so much worse...

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That is a Prvi Partizan case. I have fired a lot of ammunition with the PPU headstamp without any issues. Can you post a close up of the case mouth, so we can see the crimp area? I would question if the rounds were reloads.

I had some pistol ammunition that was loaded by a commercial reloader do the same thing in my pistol. The magazine was blown out of the bottom of the pistol. When I pulled several bullets, the powder appeared to be of three different kinds. I have no way of positively identifying what brand of powder it was, but there was definitely a difference in appearance.

If the cases were not fully resized when reloaded, it is possible that the rifle fired out of full battery, which would cause what we are seeing in the picture. If you fire factory ammunition out of a rifle that has cosmoline built up in the leading area of the chamber that would cause this issue as well. If a bullet is not properly crimped, it can set back in the case under recoil whle the cartridge is still in the magazine, which would cause excess chamber pressure when fired.

Google Century Arms headspace and read what some other folks have to say. Excessive headspace is a dangerous condition.

Please turn the rifle upside down and take a photograph of the inside of the magazine well. Pictures of the ammunition case mouth, especially the crimp area, would be helpful as well.

If it is an ammunition related failure, it is unlikely CAI will accept any responsibility.

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