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Old October 2nd, 2012, 02:42 PM   #1
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Ishapore 2A1, what to look for?

I saw one of these a couple of weeks ago for the first time at a local gunshop, and it left a bit of an impression on me. Believe they had it listed for around $250-$275 if I recall correctly, though I plan to check some of the pawn shops around here and a few other places. Planning on it being a truck gun, and also using it for wild pig/deer hunting when I have the opportunity.

So what all should I be looking at besides the obvious? (such as headspacing, cracking on bolt/receiver)

Also any suggestions for an affordable set of 7.62 headspace gauges? Not something I forsee myself using a lot so don't want to spend a couple hundred on them.


And last and not least, what websites/resources/advice do you guys have in regards to them?

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Old October 2nd, 2012, 03:16 PM   #2
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U.S. spec 7.62 or .308 headspace gauges will likely be inadequate. Enfields have their own rules and tolerances are GENEROUS. don't shoot steel-cased ammo in it.

Good steel, though, and great handling and great looking rifles.

I'd be sure to ask around an enfield forum for knowledgeable info. I've read a bit but take it all with a grain of salt. :)

Oh, and BTW, don't try to strip yours using liquid poly. Don't ask. LOL

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Old October 2nd, 2012, 04:13 PM   #3
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I remember being told to get a field, go and no go gauges in 7.62x51 by a gunsmith who specialized in enfields. And to check any rifle in good visual condition I was considering buying. Many told me in researching that the ishapore could be found with excellent bores and finishes but covered with the black storage paint and cosmoline type grease. Usual items to check would be condition of metal, wood, bore/crown of barrel, matching numbers on parts, etc.

I will say it was and still is confusing understanding the gauges and the spec of 7.62x51, Enfield, ishapore, etc. maybe some smart fellow can speak to it. My take away was buy all 3, drop them in and see what fit and did not and it would be my judgement on what was safe.

For general info, I enjoyed reading the article by Rawles on budget battle rifle which spoke to some good highlights and tips. http://survivalblog.com/2010/01/the_...dget_batt.html

There seem to still be spare parts available.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...ilter=Ishapore


Other than that, think on why you want it. History, collectible, fun rifle in 7.62x51? Go for it! Main battle rifle to take on zombies with semi-auto 30 cals, not a good choice IMHO. There is a reason the Indians went to the FAL after getting whooped by the Chinese who fielded semi's.

I think they are neat rifles and hope to find a keeper one day.

Good luck and report back when you find one with pics!

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Oh, and BTW, don't try to strip yours using liquid poly. Don't ask. LOL
I actually did read a pretty entertaining article on here earlier. Believe you mentioned something about the cosmoline being soaked into the stock so much that it wouldn't stop beading water. Got a good laugh out of it.


It will mostly be a plinking rifle, with a bit of hunting here and there. I have the AR15 for shtf, and hopefully an M1A at some point after I win the damned lottery. (Speaking of which, my mother in law won $10k on a scratch ticket this morning. Wish I had that luck)

Not to mention I just love playing around with old military weapons. I have a K98k back home, along with my M1 carbine and a couple 1911s. The Ishapore will be a good project rifle to refinish, the way I see it. And still a work rifle I don't mind dinging here or there.

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I have a pristine Ishy 2A1. Tightest bore in .308 I have measured. Shoots fantastic. Still had a cosmo plug in the bore when I got her. I paid $300 for mine about 2-3 years ago. It is probably above average condition though. Rifle is built to take punishment.

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Old October 2nd, 2012, 05:12 PM   #6
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I have a pristine Ishy 2A1. Tightest bore in .308 I have measured. Shoots fantastic. Still had a cosmo plug in the bore when I got her. I paid $300 for mine about 2-3 years ago. It is probably above average condition though. Rifle is built to take punishment.
How has yours been with shooting .308? Read in a few places that they had very liberal headspacing for even 7.62, and led to some people having case bulging/separation issues.

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I would first check headspace with a field gage. If it fails a headspace check, go to another rifle because they are not worth repairing that problem.

Then I would check to be certain the numbers match on the bolt and receiver. If the forend, front band and magazine also match that is a plus.

Next I would check to be certain it feeds, extracts, and ejects properly.

Wood is a toss up. Some is nice but the wood is not the best on any of them as the Indians don't have walnut or beech. The metal is parkerized under the paint so the more paint the better. The paint can always be removed.

I would also check the front sight blade. If it is off center either direction you may want to conside the issues that could indicate.

I have seen some of these rifles that had the front sight base installed off TDC so you may want to note that also. That can be repaired but you'll have to decide if you want to be bothered with that.

Good luck!

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+1 on checking headspace on them. Ordered one of them and checked headspace with 7.62 NATO max gage and closed on it . Sent it back and got two more rifles that same thing happened on. Finally the fourth one headspaced correctly.

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mine should be here this week from a local res. I cant wait......its looks awesome. He said the buttstock is a different color but its the grease, I can see a light wood peeking out.

Im gonna gauge it and see what happens.

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I checked mine with a field gauge...doesn't close. Mine shoots clover leafs at 100 yards. Prints great at 300 yards too although the ramp sights make elevation control difficult for those spoiled by American peep sights.

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I checked mine with a field gauge...doesn't close. Mine shoots clover leafs at 100 yards. Prints great at 300 yards too although the ramp sights make elevation control difficult for those spoiled by American peep sights.

There is a commercially made peep aperture that replaces the open sight. Easy to install and to return to original configuration. Makes shooting it much easier.

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Well went back to the gunshop I saw it at after spending some time studying up on them.

Ended up they still had it in stock, but it's a 2A. so I decided to throw it on layaway until payday. End price of $250 out the door. Unfortunately the boss wasn't in so couldn't really haggle, but seeing as all the ones online want $300+, I can live with it.

The good news, all matching serials (including the mag) except for the stock, which is in really good condition. Paint is chipped off in a handful of places, but the finish is in good condition underneath. Bore is in great condition, minus obviously having not been punched after the last shooting. Also the buttplate seems slightly loose, though not enough to notice without looking closely, and fairly certain it's a loose screw. Only thing that had me slightly concerned is the front sight post is offset to the left quite a bit. But we'll see how it shoots before I look into buying the replacement sized ones. Also the extractor is in great shape, may have been replaced by the prior owner I think.

Overall I'm pretty happy with it. Can't wait to break it down and start working on it.

Only downside, is my wife is pretty upset about it. As I'm using the money I had set aside for an optic for the AR. She'll either get over it or she won't. Not worrying about it.


As an after thought, any suggestions on where to acquire parts if needed?


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Is it as nice as this one? I picked up this summer. Just had to repair the draws and bed the action.
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Is it as nice as this one? I picked up this summer. Just had to repair the draws and bed the action.
Well, except for some dinging and scrapes in the wood, it's almost identical. On the downside, I found that there is some cracking in the stock, so not sure if it will be salvageable yet. Anyways...

Just picked it up this morning, and have spent the entire day cleaning off cosmoline from under the foreend, taking off paint, and overall cleaning it up. Actually have the wood wrapped in a garbage bag with a container of boiling water to get some cosmoline out.


After checking over everything, the barrel serial does match, so besides wood it's an all matching set. And under the paint is a pretty good bluing, though it is worn in a few spots, but not to bad. Think I'm going to end up duracoating it all together.

And probably the most pleasant surprise so far, upon cleaning some of the paint off of the markings, it's actually a 2A1. Realized the sights went to 800 instead of 2000, and immediately moved to the strap to make it legible, and the 1 was completely paint filled.

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I used to shoot a couple of 2A1s at the little CQB matches they had at Ft. Benning up until about 2003. One was bone stock, and the other was "enhanced" for use in the night shoots. Wouldn't run quite as fast as a gas gun, but folk seemed to enjoy the show! Might have made an impression on some of the folk about to be deployed, hopefully in a positive way.


It even had a laser mounted on the bayonet lug at one point, but the reddot worked better at anything but extreme close range and ludicrous double tap operation.


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