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February 18th, 2012, 02:03 PM
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#31 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| Clyde's Cutlery; Plumb;
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Originally Posted by Earthquake  There was one on a table at the gun show today, It had no makers mark on the blade that I could see just "USMC", but the sheath was marked "Boyt 43". he wanted $150.00 for it, it looked old so I dont think it was a repop.
Casey | Clyde's Cutlery did not as far a I know engrave theirs, but had an indelible
stamp of some sort on the oposit side of the USMC. Plumb I believe engraved theirs on the oposite side. I have only seen pictures of one Plumb. The indelible stamp on the Clyde would disappear over time. Some of these bolos used brass rivets some use steel. These are very "hard" steel blades that will hold an edge, once you get one on them. It's very common to see them with a beat-up back edge. I have several. 44 is the most common date for the scabbard. http://olive-drab.com/od_edged_weapo..._usmc_hosp.php
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February 18th, 2012, 02:24 PM
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#32 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ozarks
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I don't know how widely these were used in WWII. Given their considerable weight, carrying one on a pistol belt with canteens, first aid packet and mag pouch seems inconvenient even with cross-straps. At any rate, their use didn't extend to the Korean conflict. Our corpsmen who had been in the "Big One" used to tell how they got rid of anything distinctive such as aid packs, etc. and put their supplies in BAR belts. According to them, Jap snipers singled-out officers, squad leaders and aid men. 
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February 19th, 2012, 07:39 AM
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#33 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| Pictures;
I have watched for pictures of these bolo knives in use. I have yet to have seen a picture I could difinitively say was the USMC bolo.
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February 19th, 2012, 03:34 PM
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#34 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dixie
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When I was a kid I had a like new WW-1 Bolo that I paid around $5.00 for at the Army/Navy store. I just found one just like it on Ebay for $300.00. My brother stole mine and hocked it and the rest of my stuff for beer while I was in the Nam. http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-Plumb-ST...item3a6e593f19
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March 4th, 2012, 05:52 PM
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#35 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 578
| I got one!!!
I was at the gun show today and the guy that the one I saw at the last show had it with him, he marked it down to $100.00 I asked him what the best he could do on it, well $85.00 dollars later it was mine. the sheath is marked USMC Boyt 43, the blade is not marked as per a manufacture, it has some dark spots on the blade and there a couple small chips on the handles.
The sheath needs a a few stitches at the bottom by the grommet and needs a little Neatsfoot oil or some kind of leather lube.
I have the perfect little spot in the safe for it sit forever!
Casey
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March 5th, 2012, 03:42 AM
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#37 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| Well done;
You did pretty well. A fair price from what I've seen these sell for. You might look closely on the opposite side of the USMC markings. Clyde Cutlery marked their's on the reverse side, as did Plumb. The Plumb name would be easy to see, but the Clyde makers marks were more like a stamping. Not all of these were necessarily marked, some Chatillion were not.
These blades are made of very hard metal. Not unusual at all to see the dark spotted blades. If you replace the handles make sure to get the right rivet pattern. I would use Pecard's Leather Treatment before I would try Neatsfoot. Neatsfoot will darken the leather. Lacking Pecards I would use any saddle soap from a saddle shop, or a good ball glove conditioner. Neatsfoot as a last resort, just because of the darkening effect. Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthquake $85.00 dollars later it was mine. the sheath is marked USMC Boyt 43, the blade is not marked as per a manufacture, it has some dark spots on the blade and there a couple small chips on the handles.
a little Neatsfoot oil or some kind of leather lube.
I have the perfect little spot in the safe for it sit forever!
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March 5th, 2012, 10:44 AM
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#38 | | Scout Sniper
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northwest
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Neatsfoot oil also isn't good to get on natural fiber stitching. The cotton fiber will break down eventually from exposure to Neatsfoot oil. I've never seen any ill effects with nylon stitching.
+1 about Pecard's. But if you can't find it other products will work too.
Remember that you don't want to overdue it with what ever you use.
A small amount of a good leather conditioner give it time to dry. Avoid exposing the leather to heat. Even direct sunlight, maybe good for treating a pair of boots, but usually your going to wear boots out in a few years. These sheaths are 70 years old now. After a small treatment of leather conditioner I like to apply some clear or neutral shoe polish to leather that is supposed to be stiff, like sheaths and most holsters.
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March 5th, 2012, 11:57 AM
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#39 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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On the back of the blade [opposite of the USMC stamp] if you get it in the light just right there looks like a circle with a rectangle box through the middle of it with some letters in it, I can not get a good picture of it though.
Do the sheath's shrink on these? Would it hurt the value if I had a saddle maker re-stitch the sheath? It also looks like some one cut a small peice of the grip panles of the top because they are square and have some saw marks showing and when its in the shaeth there a gap bewteen the grips and the top of the sheath. The rivets also look abit diffrent then other pictures I have seen, they are steel and bigger on one side then the other, they almost look like big nails.
Casey
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March 5th, 2012, 01:36 PM
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#40 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| Clyde Cutlery;
Clyde Cutlery of Ohio used a circle or oval for their trade-mark. The originals I have and all I have seen have a taper at the bottom of the handle, see my pictures and the link. Two of these handles are original. One has steel rivets and one has brass. All my replacement handles have brass and the handles are hickory. Two of my replacement handles are shown earlier in the thread.
I have a couple more stored away.
The scabbards in good shape usually sell for 40 to 50 bucks alone. I don't recall ever seeing a 42 dated scabbard but that's when they began making them. I use the one with the lanyard for cutting kindling. I would stitch the scabbard up and not worry about the collecting value. All my handles touch the brass guard on the scabbard.
There were five makers. I have only seen one Plumb and it went high for my taste. http://olive-drab.com/od_edged_weapo..._usmc_hosp.php http://m14forum.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1330982869 http://m14forum.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1330982869 http://m14forum.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1330982869
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March 5th, 2012, 03:52 PM
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#41 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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CharlieEcho
Do you mean that the tang is tapered at the base of the handle? Are the Clyde Cutlery the only one that are tapered? heres a picture of mine, sorry about all the pic's guys I would just really like to know who made mine.
Casey
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March 5th, 2012, 04:57 PM
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#42 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| They vary;
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Originally Posted by Earthquake CharlieEcho
Do you mean that the tang is tapered at the base of the handle? Are the Clyde Cutlery the only one that are tapered? heres a picture of mine, sorry about all the pic's guys I would just really like to know who made mine.
Casey | http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...cd708284661598
Casey, they vary greatly mine do. Two are tappered such as yours, others are more even. Some are thinner, the metal that is, at the rear of the handle than at the front of the handle. The taper I was refering to earlier was at the front of the wooden handle tapering down to the metal of the blade. Look at the handles in my photos. Yours appear to be straight, so that may be a replacement handle. I believe the link above should take you to a photo of the Clyde logo.
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March 18th, 2012, 02:11 PM
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#43 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 578
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Sorry to drag this back out in to the light but I found this while looking for some parts for a SMLE bolt action I have... https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=89
Has any body ever seen a canvas sheath for one before?
Casey
PS this sight has some interesting stuff.
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March 18th, 2012, 02:38 PM
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#44 | | Scout Sniper
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northwest
Posts: 821
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Liberty Tree is a first class place. They are very knowledgeable and won't mislead you. Often you will pay a little more for this level of service. While I believe this is true with them. I have often been surprised at some of the good deals I've come across there.
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March 18th, 2012, 03:52 PM
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#45 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cent-IL, USA
Posts: 425
| Depot made canvas;
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Originally Posted by Earthquake Sorry to drag this back out in to the light but I found this while looking for some parts for a SMLE bolt action I have... https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=89
Has any body ever seen a canvas sheath for one before?
Casey
PS this sight has some interesting stuff. | The Marine Corps was known for making a lot of their own canvas equipment. Usually refered to as "depot made". Packs, E-tool carriers, and canteen carriers usually. So the canvas carrier for the Corpsmans knife/bolo cannot be discounted. United States Medical Corp is a name I have not been able to confirm. Any search I've done with regard to the United States Medical Corp "always" leads to the United States Army Medical Corps, period.
Taken at face value its a USMC Hospital Corpmans Knife made by Chatillion. Chatillion made knives are the ones most commonly found. Some of these knives from other makers bring the price alone. Chatillion, not so much, but the canvas sheath is interesting. http://olive-drab.com/od_edged_weapo..._usmc_hosp.php
("The USMC Hospital Corpsman Knife scabbard is stitched leather with a brass riveted throat and a brass grommet hole at the tip. The back of the scabbard has an M1910 pistol belt hook attached by a heavy riveted and stitched loop of leather. Just below the hook, the leather was stamped with three rows of letters (photo, left):
USMC
BOYT
44
Boyt was the only manufacturer of the scabbard, with dates from 1942 to 1945, with "44" most common.")
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