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Old February 11th, 2009, 09:20 AM   #1
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Case Ka-Bar?

I keep seeing Case USMC fighting knives that look identical to old Ka-Bars. I was under the impression that Ka-Bar has the patent on these knives since the late 1800's. The Cases have an old timey look too..kinda neat, but did Case ever make these for the military or for military use?

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Old February 11th, 2009, 09:41 AM   #2
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"Ka-Bar" production was contracted out just like pretty much everything else in DOD procurement...

All of the knives I saw in the Marine Corps were Camillus produced IIRC, I think maybe Imperial made some too but not sure.

Don't know about Case, but it's possible.

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Old February 11th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #4
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The basic pattern goes back, IIRC, to the mid 19th century -- Wade & Butcher pattern coming out of Sheffield England. That means it can't really be patented. Thus, lots of companies, including Case, have made knives that look similar to the Kabar. It just happens to be the most familiar, but it isn't the "original", so to speak.

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thanks guys, I figured it was something like outsourcing. The Case looks to be too slim to be truly effective like the real Ka-Bar. I'm not talking about stalking bad guys and cutting throats, I'm talking digging ranger graves and such...how I bent my Ka-Bar to h&ll and back.

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I've seen Case , Camillus , Ontario , Ames , Schrade , as well as KaBar. Probably a few others too.

Patents don't last forever , and they're surrendered to get military contracts.

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I keep seeing Case USMC fighting knives that look identical to old Ka-Bars. I was under the impression that Ka-Bar has the patent on these knives since the late 1800's. The Cases have an old timey look too..kinda neat, but did Case ever make these for the military or for military use?
Patents only last between 17 and 20 years depending upon their type.

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Old April 14th, 2009, 12:59 PM   #8
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I don't know how you patent a knife. Knives have been around since Cavemen chipped rocks. How do you prove that any knife is new, innovative, and useful, when for every basic variation you can find an existing example?.


You can patent features. You can trade mark your brand.

I don't know if the military ever owned the technical data package for the "K-Bar". K bar knives used to come in a box with the original 40's vintage drawing on the lid. If the military owned the drawing, they can buy from whom ever they want.

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Old May 12th, 2009, 03:49 PM   #9
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Ok, What we are in the habit of calling Ka-bars are more accurately Mark 2 combat knives. During WW2 many companies made these under government contract. During the war they became known as Ka-bars, (kind of like band-aid). By Vietnam Conetta, Camilus, and Utica where the companies making these knives. Since the 1980's Ontario has been making them and I believe since Camilus is now gone they are the only ones (Please note that I'm refering to government procured knives that where issued to troops and not private purchase knives). Originally the mark 2's where for the Department of the Navy only. But today the mark 2 is available to all branches of the service.
I would like to know if any of the Marines on this forum can tell me what makers marks are on the knives they where given on graduation.
For more info on these knives I can recommend; U.S. Military Knives Volume III by M. H. Cole, The Best of Military Knives by the same author and I believe is still available. And Knives of the United States Military World War II by Michael Silvey.
Now as far as a Case made Mark 2 combat knife I would love to see as many pictures of this as you can send. Show all the Marks and lettering on this knife. Preferably in at least one of these pictures show the knife next to a ruler to show the overall length and the blade length. There were very, very few case mark 2 knives made and you either have a very rare thing or a different knife.
I just got off the phone with someone who knows these case knives. There are some case named mark 2 knives out there that are accurately called "fantasy knives". These knives where not made for the military at any time. These are good quality knives as they go but shouldn't be confused with something of historical interest. He thinks they may have been produced as much as 20 years ago but isn't sure.
The only WW2 case made mark 2 knives were prototypes that bring a very high price.


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Did he really say this?



Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

I just saw another quote "?" by Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto that states there would be a rifle behind every door?


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All three of my Ka-Bars range in age from 47 years to 3 years of age and all are marked Camillus. The oldest is from my Corps years and the others are post-discharge but ALL are Ka-Bars.

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