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October 8th, 2011, 06:09 AM
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#1 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada
Posts: 873
| SOG downmarket?
Yesterday I came across a fantastic deal on a couple of SOG folding knife gift sets and got a Sogzilla for abt $14 and a set of Autoclips, 3" and keychain versions for abt $12. Or I thought I did. Once I got the plastic clamshells off at home I realised I had dollar store quality knives- the Sogzilla has never even been sharpened and has a visibly defective curve on the edge and the larger Autoclip is well not up to my other Sogs in any way. And I see on the blades the fatal word "China." The store I bought these POSs from is called West Marine and is a big, reliable US retailer of boat stuff. In the past they've always been a good source for products from their fellow US icon, SOG. Anyway, I guess it now has to be said that unlike before, SOG bears watching. NO more clamshell purchases for me that's for sure. And if they aren't American enough to sell only quality products made in Japan, as in the past, they aren't interested in selling to me, either. 
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October 8th, 2011, 06:24 AM
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#2 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: The hand of YHWH
Posts: 376
| I guess it's true, you get what you pay for.
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October 8th, 2011, 07:14 AM
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#3 | | Lifer | Quote:
Originally Posted by Phinehas  I guess it's true, you get what you pay for. | I Respectfully Disagree...
The OP thought he was buying a Genuine SOG Product at a Sale/Discount Price...
(instead he was defrauded by a Counterfeit Product)
What if the OP went back to the store and showed them a Genuine Original compared to that Counterfeit.
Should the store be able to say...Hey, You Get What You Pay For?
Does anybody really want to pay Full Sticker Price for a New Vehicle?
Or do you 'shop around' for a better deal?
When you buy a New Product on Sale...and then find out it was a 'second' or defective...you have a right to be upset...
Here...what is said to be an otherwise reputable store...is selling a Counterfeit Product which obviously appeared to be a Genuine Product on Sale!
In reality...if the same product was for sale in the same store at the standard MSRP...and OP wanted one regardless of the price...he would have the exact same bitch...he was sold a POS cleverly camoflauged as a Quality Brand Name Product...
SO....'You Get What You Pay For... NO.
But 'Caveat Emptor'... YES!
IMHO
CAVman in WYoming
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October 8th, 2011, 07:28 AM
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#4 | | Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Louisiana
Posts: 2,181
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Originally Posted by CAVman I Respectfully Disagree...
The OP thought he was buying a Genuine SOG Product at a Sale/Discount Price...
(instead he was defrauded by a Counterfeit Product)
What if the OP went back to the store and showed them a Genuine Original compared to that Counterfeit.
Should the store be able to say...Hey, You Get What You Pay For?Does anybody really want to pay Full Sticker Price for a New Vehicle?
Or do you 'shop around' for a better deal?
When you buy a New Product on Sale...and then find out it was a 'second' or defective...you have a right to be upset...
Here...what is said to be an otherwise reputable store...is selling a Counterfeit Product which obviously appeared to be a Genuine Product on Sale!
In reality...if the same product was for sale in the same store at the standard MSRP...and OP wanted one regardless of the price...he would have the exact same bitch...he was sold a POS cleverly camoflauged as a Quality Brand Name Product...
SO....'You Get What You Pay For... NO.
But 'Caveat Emptor'... YES!
IMHO
CAVman in WYoming |
I think the big question here is does SOG list this item on their website? If so, what is its price? Is that a product of the US? Or is this simply one of those promo items that you are paying for a name written on the slabsides of the product? If it is a really a counterfeit product, SOG should be notified that West Bros is breaking the law. dozier
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October 8th, 2011, 07:53 AM
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#5 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada
Posts: 873
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Well, if I thought it was counterfeit stuff, I wouldn't be mad at SOG, but since these p's o's were purchased at a regular SOGgy dealer, in fact a pretty big international one, I fear that a company I formerly has a huge respect for (I'm a SOG collector) has gone over to selling tofu products (as they say in the PROC).
It was the large metal handled Sogzilla I bought, BTW, regular retail was something like $45, and that itself would've been a bargain price for a SOG product from the old days. I guess if I hadn't been so hyp-mo-tized by previous experience plus the lure of a fantastic deal, I would have thought thrice. But oh well I have enough good SOGs for several lifetimes of careful use.
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October 8th, 2011, 08:40 AM
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#6 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: BumF**K Egypt
Posts: 1,117
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Either your SogZilla was a counterfeit or it wasn't meant o be sold. I can say nothing but good things about mine. Yes, it bears that dreadful 'C' word, but it's actually of pretty decent quality. I do like my Powerlock and Trident the most though.
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October 8th, 2011, 09:45 AM
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#7 | | Lifer |
The additional comments have convinced me that I made ONE 'ASSumption' that may in fact not be the correct one!
So...
I will keep my Opinion on Hold pending further explanation... 
CAVman in WYoming
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October 8th, 2011, 12:34 PM
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#8 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada
Posts: 873
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Originally Posted by TheTurtle Either your SogZilla was a counterfeit or it wasn't meant o be sold. I can say nothing but good things about mine. Yes, it bears that dreadful 'C' word, but it's actually of pretty decent quality. I do like my Powerlock and Trident the most though. | Quote:
Originally Posted by CAVman The additional comments have convinced me that I made ONE 'ASSumption' that may in fact not be the correct one!
So...
I will keep my Opinion on Hold pending further explanation...
CAVman in WYoming | I think yer both right, actually. I'm not saying "SOG Sertainly Sux" , I'm just saying I can't automatically trust the name anymore, nor for that matter the store that sold the garbage. It doesn't take much.
And while I imagine I hit part of a particularly bad batch of Chinese tofu, what should not have happened is that they went on the market even in the Northern Exposure market at 1/4 price.
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October 8th, 2011, 09:18 PM
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#9 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: The hand of YHWH
Posts: 376
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CAVman;I Respectfully Disagree...
The OP thought he was buying a Genuine SOG Product at a Sale/Discount Price...
(instead he was defrauded by a Counterfeit Product)
What if the OP went back to the store and showed them a Genuine Original compared to that Counterfeit.
Should the store be able to say...Hey, You Get What You Pay For?
Does anybody really want to pay Full Sticker Price for a New Vehicle?
Or do you 'shop around' for a better deal?
When you buy a New Product on Sale...and then find out it was a 'second' or defective...you have a right to be upset...
Here...what is said to be an otherwise reputable store...is selling a Counterfeit Product which obviously appeared to be a Genuine Product on Sale!
In reality...if the same product was for sale in the same store at the standard MSRP...and OP wanted one regardless of the price...he would have the exact same bitch...he was sold a POS cleverly camouflaged as a Quality Brand Name Product...
SO....'You Get What You Pay For... NO.
But 'Caveat Emptor'... YES!
IMHO
CAVman in WYoming
I certainly should have explained myself better, and I welcome your constructive criticism, it keeps me in check.
As we all know, and all too well, manufacturing jobs have been flying out of this country for some time now, and many of the "hold outs", or those companies that we've always consider to be as American as they come, and would never fold, such as Craftsman, Red wing, Filson, and yes, even SOG and many others, have of late, become sell outs, setting up shop in Mongol nations. When they can work all day for two fish heads and a bowl of rice, it's not hard to understand why you can't compete with slave labor and sustain a quality of living like that of our fathers. What's worse, we of European decent, are innovators, they on the other hand are, at best, imitators, which might explain the POS quality you'll find at Wall of China mart, leaving you scratching your head wondering how it got into their hands.
In our busy day to day lives, I think we tend to over look the small print (made in China) or the half gallon of ice cream (1.75qrts), because, especially us old guys, who have been used to some semblance of normalcy for the better part of our lives, may take some getting use to. That goes for price as well, one of the first criteria these days when purchasing anything.
So it's easy to see how we can be sold a bill of goods, which is why I always say, question everything. If it's to good to be true, it probably is.
CAVman, I hope this made some sense.
Phinehas
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October 9th, 2011, 05:16 AM
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#10 | | Lifer | Quote:
Originally Posted by Phinehas CAVman;I Respectfully Disagree...
The OP thought he was buying a Genuine SOG Product at a Sale/Discount Price...
(instead he was defrauded by a Counterfeit Product)
What if the OP went back to the store and showed them a Genuine Original compared to that Counterfeit.
Should the store be able to say...Hey, You Get What You Pay For?
Does anybody really want to pay Full Sticker Price for a New Vehicle?
Or do you 'shop around' for a better deal?
When you buy a New Product on Sale...and then find out it was a 'second' or defective...you have a right to be upset...
Here...what is said to be an otherwise reputable store...is selling a Counterfeit Product which obviously appeared to be a Genuine Product on Sale!
In reality...if the same product was for sale in the same store at the standard MSRP...and OP wanted one regardless of the price...he would have the exact same bitch...he was sold a POS cleverly camouflaged as a Quality Brand Name Product...
SO....'You Get What You Pay For... NO.
But 'Caveat Emptor'... YES!
IMHO
CAVman in WYoming
I certainly should have explained myself better, and I welcome your constructive criticism, it keeps me in check.
As we all know, and all too well, manufacturing jobs have been flying out of this country for some time now, and many of the "hold outs", or those companies that we've always consider to be as American as they come, and would never fold, such as Craftsman, Red wing, Filson, and yes, even SOG and many others, have of late, become sell outs, setting up shop in Mongol nations. When they can work all day for two fish heads and a bowl of rice, it's not hard to understand why you can't compete with slave labor and sustain a quality of living like that of our fathers. What's worse, we of European decent, are innovators, they on the other hand are, at best, imitators, which might explain the POS quality you'll find at Wall of China mart, leaving you scratching your head wondering how it got into their hands.
In our busy day to day lives, I think we tend to over look the small print (made in China) or the half gallon of ice cream (1.75qrts), because, especially us old guys, who have been used to some semblance of normalcy for the better part of our lives, may take some getting use to. That goes for price as well, one of the first criteria these days when purchasing anything.
So it's easy to see how we can be sold a bill of goods, which is why I always say, question everything. If it's to good to be true, it probably is.
CAVman, I hope this made some sense.
Phinehas
| It does make complete sense, and I agree completely!
As I stated above...MY first post was looking at the OP's post from One Perspective Only...and other guy's posts convinced me that I really didn't know what really happened there!
I too have seen many excellent companies who had a history of making excellent products...suddenly 'sell out' to the bottom line and start selling pure crap!
So, yes...Buyer Beware!
CAVman in WYoming
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October 12th, 2011, 10:44 AM
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#11 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada
Posts: 873
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I've done a little googling since the purchase and found out that the Sogzilla in question made a big crash on the knife fans' market last year, and not in a good way. Still. I'm planning on returning mine next time I'm in the right town- the blade is as I said defective even for a bad knife.
Et tu crappe, SOG?
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October 12th, 2011, 12:59 PM
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#12 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas
Posts: 208
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I just checked SOG's websute and true enough they have more stuff listed as from China than I thought.
However I did notice some "new stuff" that was also from Japan. And some other things like multi-tools still listed as USA made. As I took a quick look around.
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October 12th, 2011, 01:16 PM
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#13 | | Scout Sniper
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northwest
Posts: 821
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Why not contact SOG and find out if your product came from them or is in fact a counterfeit? At that point you can direct your dissatisfaction at either SOG or West Marine. SOG products have been known to be counterfeited before now as have companies like Leupold.
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October 12th, 2011, 01:23 PM
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#14 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada
Posts: 873
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Originally Posted by sac troop Why not contact SOG and find out if your product came from them or is in fact a counterfeit? At that point you can direct your dissatisfaction at either SOG or West Marine. SOG products have been known to be counterfeited before now as have companies like Leupold. | Yeah but I'm in Canada and it ain't so easy to do things like that from here- what I want is my $14 back!
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October 12th, 2011, 01:31 PM
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#15 | | Scout Sniper
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northwest
Posts: 821
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Originally Posted by Sweets Yeah but I'm in Canada and it ain't so easy to do things like that from here- what I want is my $14 back! | So let me see if I can help. I'm about 2 miles from SOG's headquarters and also know a few of their employee's. I'm not current on the exchange rate between US and Canada but $14 US would be about half the current discount rate of a Sogzilla down here.
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