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This is a discussion on The "Golden Era" ???? within the Devine M1A forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; The responses in posts # 6 and # 16 together define what I call the Golden Age M1A rifles. The design had matured and USGI ...


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Old March 20th, 2016, 04:36 PM   #31
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The responses in posts # 6 and # 16 together define what I call the Golden Age M1A rifles. The design had matured and USGI parts were plentiful with which to build them. I have never said those receivers were manufactured flawlessly. However, Elmer Ballance, Melvin Smith and Springfield Armory (Geneseo) did collaborate on a number of changes to the M1A receiver design before serial number 040000. I've never stated M1A receivers were dimensionally flawless. Another manufacturing flaw from that era that I've not seen discussed is the excessive inside diameter of the barrel ring threads, e.g., serial number 052122.

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Old March 20th, 2016, 04:39 PM   #32
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OK....... So Back to the subject then

WOULD ALL THE M1A's WORKED OVER BY GLENN NELSEN UNTIL HIS DEATH BE CONSIDERED IN THE " GOLDEN ERA" ?
No. Glenn Nelson built Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles from 1974 to 2004.

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Old March 20th, 2016, 06:17 PM   #33
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No. Glenn Nelson built Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles from 1974 to 2004.

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No. Glenn Nelson built Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles from 1974 to 2004.
The American Rifleman did an article Feb 1987 by John R. Clarke titled "Accurizing Service Rifles" pages 28, 29, 72 and 73. The article is about Glen Nelson and his shop. Very interesting read.

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The American Rifleman did an article Feb 1987 by John R. Clarke titled "Accurizing Service Rifles" pages 28, 29, 72 and 73. The article is about Glen Nelson and his shop. Very interesting read.

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Old April 10th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #36
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The 4 Springfield Armory M1A rifles that I own are ALL within this serial number range. If you have the ability to do it spend the additional money and buy from within this small universe of rifles.


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From 1986 /1996 or roughly serial # 40,000 to 100,000 SAI was awash in usgi parts and the receivers were built by Melvin Smith at Valley Ordinance ,those receivers were among the best SAI ever used. These were the years SAI was making it's reputation.

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I agree completely. In fact, outside of the earlier rifles being built up with all USGI parts, there is nothing in my mind that makes the receivers stand out as being of better quality than the newer ones.

It's a myth created by people who own them and perpetuated by those who lust after them.

Each receiver must stand on it's own merits.

It is just like today. Some are better and some are worse. No more, no less.

Most every so called "Devine" receiver that I have ever seen, has one of the most common flaws that you will find with commercial receivers of the past, being; the rear sight pocket is not machined correctly and consequently the rear sight base hangs over the area where the windage witness marks are.

I have seen this flaw with many early M1A receivers. Also with the first generation Fulton receivers (circa 2003-'04) and some Armscorp receivers as well.
Anything with a history will have what enthusiasts will consider its 'golden age', but like Billy Joel said, "The good ole days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems". For example, today's cars offer superior performance, reliability, and safety, so why don't people collect those instead of late 60's muscle cars that command 50 or 100 times their original sales price? Nostalgia, historical appreciation, or who know why else, but I think it's unfair to say owners perpetuating a myth.

If anything, NOW is the golden age for these rifles because we have several manufacturers giving us access to the best commercial receivers and parts that we've ever had, and at relatively reasonable prices.

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I think the "Golden Age" for Springfield Armory developed the importance that it did was due to the fact that Springfield Armory DID IN FACT have quality control problems after they took over direct production of their receivers.

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I think the "Golden Age" for Springfield Armory developed the importance that it did was due to the fact that Springfield Armory DID IN FACT have quality control problems after they took over direct production of their receivers.
SAI took over receiver production after Melvin Smith passed away. After his death his tooling was purchased by SAI and moved to Geneseo Ill. SAI used this tooling and tooling SAI purchased from Beretta to produce receivers.

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I found out some years AFTER selling it that my SM was a Nelson build, verified by SAI. It was in the 46K range I think and a fine match rifle.

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