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Old June 26th, 2015, 03:54 PM   #1
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Full Auto Devine M1A?

I am looking at a full auto M1A. the serial number is 0018xx. the receiver is marked U.S. Rifle / 7.62-mm M1A/ Springfield/ Armory and then a Zero with a T inside and then the Serial Number. the form 4 shows the manufacturer as Springfield Arms, Devine Texas.

Most of what I have read has referred to semi auto Devine M1A's. were there factory full auto's or might this be a conversion?

thank you for any advice that may be offered.

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Old June 26th, 2015, 06:58 PM   #2
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Sounds damn interesting....

Go to Different's posts about Texas rifles, look up the serial number

Let us know what you find out....like I said Damn interesting.

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if I recall correctly, elmer said those shipped as semi and were converted. You can call him and ask, he will be happy to talk with ya

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This subject surfaced during a conversation Tim Strait had some 12 yrs. back with Mr. Balance himself here in Texas. Directly below is a cut from that conversation with the link referenced below it. Too bad Mr. Balance didn't keep the Rifle and his legal rights to manufacture it. I know he had men working for him.. competent machinists:

"The M1A became eligible for use in NRA High Power shooting matches on January 01, 1974 (Stevens). The NRA modified Rule 3.1.1 in the High Power Rifle Rule Book “to include commercially manufactured rifles having the same configuration as the M14 rifle” (Stevens). Mr. Balance states that a total of 4620 receivers were manufactured before selling the company in November, 1974 (Tim Strait’s discussion with Mr. Balance in the fall of 2003 and Duff). These receivers were investment cast of AISI 8620 alloy steel by Valley Ordnance, Inc. in Wilkes-Barre, PA (March, 1974 American Rifleman). Mr. Balance also states that he never made or converted any M1A or M14 type rifles to select fire (Tim Strait’s discussion with Mr. Balance on October 25, 2003)."

Scroll about 3/4 down the page when you land on the following URL. Under title: "History of the Springfield Armory M1A Invented by Elmer Balance". This and more a good read.
http://www.warbirdscustomguns.com/Texas%20M1A's.htm

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Old June 28th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #5
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Warbird is taking on faith the word of someone who was a guest of the Federal Govt for a few years as a result of selective fire M14's. This time off was the reason why Springfield Armory ended up in the hands of the Reese's.

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Old June 29th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #6
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It is an interesting question. I didn't know the answer, so I went to Lee Emerson's M14 Rifle History and Development, Fifth Edition, Volume 2. Different writes:

"A number of Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles made by the Texas company have been identified as NFA registered select fire conversion models such as serial numbers 000908, 001691 and 002860. As early as May 1974, Class 2 FFL/SOT Fred L. Rexer, Jr. (Houston, TX) was converting M1A rifles to select fire capability. He offered his conversions in a standard M14 wood stock for $365.00 or dressed in a M14E2 stock for $415.00. The Rexer conversions are denoted by the letters FAKTS on the left sid e of the receiver. M1A serial number 001691 is one of the FAKTS conversions. At least one Texas M1A was converted by Federal Firearms Licensee Stan Andrewski. In early 1975, Class 2 FFL/SOT Rich Davis (Salem, VA) sold select fire conversions of the Springfield Armory Inc. M1A for $550.00. Central Kentucky Arms (Cynthania, KY) converted M1A serial number 003205 to select fire."

Different, again, thank you so much for your past and continues research on the M14/M1A. Your writings are a great resource.

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It would be helpful if an RKI could examine the receiver and Form 4 under discussion. I'd be willing to drive to Phoenix to look at this M1A.

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It would be helpful if an RKI could examine the receiver and Form 4 under discussion. I'd be willing to drive to Phoenix to look at this M1A.
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It would be helpful if an RKI could examine the receiver and Form 4 under discussion. I'd be willing to drive to Phoenix to look at this M1A.
Man, I'd pay half the trip to meet you and talk M14s on the trip.

Caution, you'll be doing most of the talking.

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I think some have forgotten 000916 which was up for sale on Gunbroker. Fortunately I had saved the pictures. It's definitely been reparked and it's impossible to tell if it was a conversion or originally made this way but for those who know what to look for, it is definitely a selective fire.




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Man, I'd pay half the trip to meet you and talk M14s on the trip.

Caution, you'll be doing most of the talking.
Offer still stands if the OP is willing and still has access to the M1A under discussion. MAC702, if this trip were to occur, I'm open to your suggestion, schedules permitting.

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I will ask the owner if he will allow for an inspection. I have some pictures that I will try to post in the meantime.

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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #13
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I am the owner of the Devine, TX M1A select fire M1A in question. When I first bought it it was unfired by the original owner and was told it was an original Devine, TX select fire M1A. Since then I have put less than 200 rounds thru it. If you ail note the third leg is no tigg welded on as I have seen in other M1A conversions but looks like it was machined with the rest of the receiver. Other than the markings on the receiver as shown in the OP's original post there are no other markings on the receiver. The parkerizing on the receiver is the same color as the rest of the rifle. The OP has been supplied with many photos of the rifle. He is welcome to inspect the rifle at any time that mutually convenient to both of us as he lives < 100 miles from me. I thought i'd attach some photos of the receiver. Any insight and additional comments would be appreciated.




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Old July 25th, 2015, 02:23 PM   #14
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Pretty Cool man, thanks for sharing.....

I don't think I've ever seen one with a scope on it.

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Old July 25th, 2015, 03:51 PM   #15
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I don't know what happened to my 1st post. I disappeared when I added the 2nd photo.
Here's them again.

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