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Old February 4th, 2015, 02:42 PM   #1
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Devine NM Questions

Got a line on a 0010xx Devine NM... The bedding build-up is yellow... Is that right, or was it done after production? Also, the barrel appears to be a '62 Saco-Lowell... Is that correct for the rifle?

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Old February 4th, 2015, 05:33 PM   #2
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I don't know specifically, they were built by many different, and from my understanding, mostly military armorers. It could have been bedded when first built or later. Mine has some yellowish but mostly brown bedding material. This one is 0020XX. Another I have is 0023XX, but it is not bedded. Both have Sako-Lowell barrels, '68 and '72 respectively. It seems many Texas M1As had these barrels. The main thing on a Devine is the barrel markings on a Texas era receiver.


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If you are talking about 001029 that is in the possession of Collectors Firearms, then you are being misled that it is a Devine. I know they say that it is in their info or rather that it falls into the range of the Devine's. But the barrel is not marked underneath as it is supposed to be. That could mean it was a Devine and someone rebarreled it at some time or another or it could mean it was sold as a receiver only by either L&H Gun Co or by SAI after they acquired the assets and parts of L&H in Dec 1974.

I have seen a considerable number of NM Devines from two digits through to higher 4 digits. All of them that I have seen that were done prior to leaving the company were bedded with an thick consistency Acraglas that has a uniformly reddish brown color. Alledgedly, Elmer didn't do any NM building and farmed it out to former armorers from Lackland AFB and also the armorers at USAMTU at Ft Benning among others. He is also alledged to have traded receivers for the work among other things. The type of yellowish white bedding material shown on 001029 is something no real military armorer would ever use. The #1 reason is shinkage. In a short time it becomes so loose that the bedding is virtually useless and the barreled action can be removed with ease. A properly done weapon with either Acraglass or Devcon (favored by the USMC) will be hard to remove and the material has only minimal shrinkage.

I am in possession of a Devine that was bedded by Art Luppino, or so I was told. He used that kind of material in it. (the light colored material that is in 001029) He also lives in South Texas and may actually have done the one that Collector Firearms has. When I first saw it that was my thought. But without asking Art for a yes or no, you won't know for sure. But without a marked barrel, all one has there is a probable Devine receiver that was built up aftermarket as a rifle.

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Old February 5th, 2015, 03:07 AM   #4
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That's exasctly th done I am talking about. Thanks for the on point clarification... Something about that bedding job just didn't seem right... Bullet dodged!

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I too looked at that rifle. in person. it just doesn't pass the smell test.

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Clarification on Bedding material

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If you are talking about 001029 that is in the possession of Collectors Firearms, then you are being misled that it is a Devine. I know they say that it is in their info or rather that it falls into the range of the Devine's. But the barrel is not marked underneath as it is supposed to be. That could mean it was a Devine and someone rebarreled it at some time or another or it could mean it was sold as a receiver only by either L&H Gun Co or by SAI after they acquired the assets and parts of L&H in Dec 1974.

I have seen a considerable number of NM Devines from two digits through to higher 4 digits. All of them that I have seen that were done prior to leaving the company were bedded with an thick consistency Acraglas that has a uniformly reddish brown color. Alledgedly, Elmer didn't do any NM building and farmed it out to former armorers from Lackland AFB and also the armorers at USAMTU at Ft Benning among others. He is also alledged to have traded receivers for the work among other things. The type of yellowish white bedding material shown on 001029 is something no real military armorer would ever use. The #1 reason is shinkage. In a short time it becomes so loose that the bedding is virtually useless and the barreled action can be removed with ease. A properly done weapon with either Acraglass or Devcon (favored by the USMC) will be hard to remove and the material has only minimal shrinkage.

I am in possession of a Devine that was bedded by Art Luppino, or so I was told. He used that kind of material in it. He also lives in South Texas and may actually have done the one that Collector Firearms has. When I first saw it that was my thought. But without asking Art for a yes or no, you won't know for sure. But without a marked barrel, all one has there is a probable Devine receiver that was built up aftermarket as a rifle.

This is an interesting Post, in that it offers most of the questions that may never be answered.. I can answer one of however.. Quote. " He used that kind of material", unquote.. I have never used Acraglass.. I have used Devcon, but only in the past year.. I can also tell you the Service Armorer's, relative to that rifle time frame, used BIsonite...

Best regards,, Art Luppino

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AFAIK, Saco- Lowell did not make M14 or M14 NM barrels in 1962.

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