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Old August 27th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #1
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Colt 1911a1... 1943...great cond.WWII Colt RARE

WWII Colt manf. .45acp 1911a1 in 95-98% cond. minor wear mark from holster. All correct markings. comes with a US flap holster and belt. Taking Offers and please dont lowball me this pistol sell's for over $5000 and lowballer's will be ingnored trade for high end firearms : M1A's, FN-FAL's,H&K's, Asp's, Devel's, Wilson's, Les Baer's,,,, JEEP or Bronco 4x4 atv's Sportbike..............Thanks

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Colt 1911a1 WWII 1943 C/M 8615xx...... $3500



1943 Colt Commercial military 1911A1 S/N 8615XX as described and explained in Both Charles Clawson’s “Collector’s guide to Colt .45 service pistols” and J.C. Harrison’s “U.S. Pistols & Revolvers 1909-1944”. For the avid 1911A1 collector, you know that this is a rare piece as described in Clawson’s book: Beginning in October 1942, the acute need for pistols prompted Colt to transfer 6,575 unsold commercial Government Model automatic pistols to their existing military contract. The existing commercial serial numbers were peened flat on the receiver and under the slide firing pin stop and restamped/renumbered in the military serial number range. All or most of these pistols were originally manufactured wit the Swartz safety. These safeties were removed when the pistol was transferred to the military contract and these “Swartz safety” pistols can be easily identified by a square hole located beside the disconnector cutout in the slide (THIS IS one) Slides retained the original commercial inscriptions . Barrels transferred with these pistols were either “S” (commercial) or “G” (standard military)…(This one contains a “G” barrel - The pistols were parkerized and submitted to Ordnance inspectors for military acceptance. An Ordnance inspection mark (crossed cannons) was stamped on the receivers W.B. inspectors initials were stamped on a few pistols through S/N 861000 and G.H.D. initials on all others (THIS RECEIVER IS G.H.D. STAMPED – . This particular pistol is in excellent condition inside and out ! Barrel rifling is clear, crisp and shiny
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Old August 27th, 2011, 11:35 AM   #2
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A little confused on the price. What is the asking price?

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A little confused on the price. What is the asking price?
If it is the same one he has listed under guns for sale it is priced at 3500

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I have a Colt 1911-A1, SN 1,106,### which is also 1943, it is also United States Property marked, and it looks to be in the same condition as yours. Are you saying mine is worth $3500? Or is the conversion from civilian to military serial numbers something that is especially sought by collectors?

That is about 4x what I paid for it, so either I got a helluva deal, or that civilian thing is worth a bunch.

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Until about the low one million range, these Colts would have the slide numbered to the frame beneath the firing pin retainer. Mine is inspected by Waldemar Broberg and was carried by a doctor who only wore it for inspection and has the matching slide, hollow back grips, temper line, etc. and other than a faint primer ring, appears unfired. I'd rate its value at a minimum of $3K.

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Holy cow. After seeing the op's post,I Can't even imagine what my 1914 Colt 1911 is worth!

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The biggest problem with early 1911's is barrel replacement. Most I see have had 1911A1 barrels installed and original WWI-era barrels were becoming scarce ten years ago. I was hoarding a minty, common P over H WWI Colt barrel, but one of my buddies told a collector about it and the guy made me an offer I couldn't refuse. A nice, straight, completely original 1914 production .45 is indeed a treasure, especially in high condition. Weapons controls during the WWI era weren't nearly as tight as they are today, so the vast majority of US 1911's simply disappeared.

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Damn, I also have a USS and a Remington Rand, both US Property, both in original 98+% condition. I got the Remington for $1,200 and the USS for $ 3,200, both at auction. I thought I overpaid for both (auctioneers love stubborn bidders). If the above prices are real, maybe I'm in good shape.

The thing is only worth $3,500 if he can find someone to buy it, so I'll be watching this thread to see how it goes.

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One thing that everyone selling "collectable" firearms needs to remember is that the higher the price he gets for it, the lower the number of people willing to buy it is.

It's like musical chairs.

Very few if any "collectors" buy a piece with the idea of keeping it forever.

Usually the idea is own it for a while and then make a good profit on it.

And as that happens the whole market keeps inflating.

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The market will naturally inflate anyway. Most consider firearms an investment and I encounter more collectors with a better knowledge base than I ever would have predicted twenty years ago. The trick is to be able to perceive trends and the most consistent of these is WWII weapons. Prices on antique American long arms for example, are below what I was getting routinely ten or fifteen years ago, so that's obviously a limited market. First-generation Colt SAA's were skyrocketing pricewise for some time, but the number of fakes has driven away or discouraged many collectors, so that market has become sluggish. GI M1911 and M1911A1's are currently the most popular military handguns and probably will remain so unless the counterfeiters catch on and begin polluting the market.

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"Most consider firearms an investment and I encounter more collectors with a better knowledge base "

So what we have here is a market based on future profit.
The word "collector" hardly applies.

All the rhetoric about our proud accomplishments in WWII etc. and
owning a piece of American history is just a smoke screen for garnering profits.

But like the antique American weapons that you said have gone down in value, so will these in due time.

Someone will be left standing when the music stops.

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Actually they're both. The soft antique gun market reflects the across-the-board lack of investor confidence. More modern military arms have the advantage of being priced in the hundreds to thousands range as opposed to thousands and tens of thousands for antiques, and they can be fired. This attracts a much broader range of collectors who don't need the more extensive knowledge base required to avoid the pitfalls of antique gun investment. The price increase on more modern guns seemed (to me) to begin gathering momentum during the Clinton era when all the anti-gun rhetoric of that crowd created a hoarder mentality with both firearms and ammo. A gentleman who was thinning out his collection called me last year and asked if I'd buy back some items I'd sold him back in '96 and it was a good deal all around. He realized a healthy return on his investment and I was quite satisfied with his prices. My wife and I collect both antique and modern.

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It is pure supply/demand.

For a given supply, the price will follow demand. There were only 500 Singer 1911s made, a lot fewer survived intact, so today there might be 100 or 200 floating around. That is a fixed supply.

If the demand remains constant, the price ought to track with inflation. If there is some advertising boost (eg Tom Hanks has Private Ryan carrying a Singer), demand will rise relative to the supply, and prices will go up.

I don't believe anything has bumped Colt collectability up since I last priced things, so $ 3,500 seems like a big number to me.

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Early WWII blued Colts are bringing that as well as US&S, and the pre WWI Colts sometimes that hit that much as well. But WB and GHD inspected Colt hardly ever go over $2500, even when two people get in a bidding war. With most hovering in the 2k range for a nice original one.

Civilan colts switched over to military contract, are rare, and do command a little more. But they have to find that right buyer. I've had a few of them over the years and I usually get 5-10% premium over a standard colt if I can find the right guy. But the standards colts always are an easier sell, as most people don't know anything about these, and they think they are humped up because of the commercial slide.

I just sold a 99% US&S made in the first 1000 made, and it only went for $5500 at auction. And I thought it did pretty good for a US&S as most hardly hit $4,000 anymore. People just don't spend the money like they did pre 2008.

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