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jim-analog

Greetings,

Here's a link to an online short story you may all find interesting. Written by the same gentleman who did "Lights Out". Enjoy!

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i...2494.html&

Regards, Jim

m14nm

Geees, what an ending. But its the most likely way things would end for most un-prepared city folks.




Better go check my stuff, now.

Daves762

Well "shelter in place" sucks when you live in an apartment.

But i don't think that driving anywhere is a better option...

parashooter

Darn. I hate it when the good guy looses.

Halffast other book is great though. A must read!!

BangkokPaul

"Shelter in place" in a apartment will probably make the likelihood of you living the next few days higher. But, when the water runs out it will probably make death more certain.

Pre positioning some supplies at the parents and leaving within 15 minutes of when he first decided to with just water, guns and ammo would have been his best bet.

I think the lesson of the tail is don't try to make up for what you didn't do at the last minute.

mkd357

I live in a city of 60,000 people. My folks are in a town of 3,700. I think I am pretty far off the terrorist list of "places to attack". On the other hand I still think the 22 mile drive to my parent's house would be in order. I would rather deal with a town full of people who know each other vs. 59,940 randoms. Plus the security issue would be something I would need to address. The old man is a pretty decent with a shotgun, but he doesn't keep any in the house (much to my disapproval!) Why didn't his son engage from longer range with the rifle? I know if I saw my dad draw down & start shooting it out with some strangers my rifle & I would be in the action in a second. Well it makes for a good read anyway. Poor city folks, & this guy had a good knowledge base to start with. I wonder if they would have made it had they not wasted the time @ walmart? Just grabbed their stuff, gassed up & bugged out.

m14ebr

Im half way through the story and it just brings something true to light...

How do you stop your family (who you love) from cannibalizing supplies you set aside for emergencies?

NE450N02

Put them under lock and key... If that is what it takes.

Cool Change

You have to have the family on the same wave length as well as being mentally and physically prepared. They wasted too much time getting comfort items when the focus needed to be on what you need to survive. I think we need a practice drill. Thanks for the eye opener. Nothing is more valuable than being prepared and practiced!

jim-analog

Greetings,

I'm glad some of you have read this. I thought it would be a good start for some additional discussions. I'd read the on-line version of Lights Out a while ago. It recently came out in book form (at Amazon, etc..), so I re-read that last week. While I was looking for the book web page, I came upon the link to the Bug Out story. After reading it, I'm trying to think deeper into these potential scenarios and realistically attempt to analyze what I've done so far and where my planing was going. I certainly found a few "lessons" in the story!

I wonder if we (I) sometimes delude ourselves as to how solid our preparations and plans really are. I think we (I) may spend too much time, effort and $ on the firearms side of things, as it ties our hobby into preparation. It's sure a lot more fun and interesting to put another rifle together than to stack up rice bags.

Does anyone else feel there may be some unintentional self delusion going on? How do you feel that your preps relate to the *likely* situations that may confront you?

Regards, Jim

Chromebolt

FNG here who has been reading up on all the posts on this site. Some good info.

I'm a LEO who works in an area where N Va and Dc folks will be relocated (there are several FEMA plots nearby) in case of an event. My biggest fear is not a dirty bomb, but the local and transplanted thugs who will come out and prey on others.

Law and order will be swamped by the masses who arrive and when you call 911 no one will be coming for a long, long time. And even those armed individuals in their houses will be hesitant to shoot threats. They will be easy prey.

I'll be working during such an event and I have tried to work with my wife on her mindset. I'm not sure she has yet has the mindset to deal with such a situation.

Hgunner

FEMA plots? That is some interesting vernacular. If one didn't know any better, it would be assumed that these "plots" are actually the FEMA Camps that the government keeps telling the public don't exist.

If you wouldn't mind, could elaborate some on this effort to protect the public. I live in a major city that has a high "thug count" and want to ensure the safety of my family in this kind of scenario.

- Will these be voluntary relocation centers that families can chose to go to, or will relocation be mandatory in certain circumstances? Would people be escorted to safe areas so they could then travel to family farms and such?

- What about people who can't navigate the through the streets due to the thugs, what is the protocol for assisting those people and who will be implementing it (i.e. local police, Nation Guard, etc)?

- Are these plots equipped to hold entire families and keep them together, or will the families have to be separated from one another during the relocation process?

- If, for example, some one's neighbor has been completely ravaged due to the thugs, is their a plan to permanently assist these people who have been relocated?

- What about the firearms of the people being relocated? I can't imagine they will be allowed to take the guns with them, but I also can't imagine the firearms being left behind for the thugs to find and use against LEOs.

- How will the thugs be dealt with? Will they just be shot on sight, or are other plots that they will be held at, or are the plots you refer to used to hold both the relocatees and the thugs?

- How long does your department anticipate said event to last? And how long would you be able to support all the relocatees with food, hygiene, clothes, etc?

Cool Change

Good insight Chromebolt. When we get "bad news" on the stability and capability of FEMA type agencies, I go sit at the loading bench while my wife checks the canning closet. Anyone who is not already really needs to look into home canning.

Nickoli

That was a very provocative read. Great food for thought (no pun intended).

Chromebolt

Hgunner:

I can't answer all your questions. I doubt anyone knows the answers, much will probably be reactionary.

But, FEMA has ( we were told purchased, but it may be leased) some land in the area in the event of an evacuation. I can only guess in the event of a terrorist attack/serious event, people will be told where they can go. Trailers and food, water will be provided like Katrina.

I work in a city about 100 miles SW of DC. I would guess we would be responsible for the city security and the interstate which goes through the city. State Police would have control of the interstate. Where I work is a 2nd amendment friendly area. Local police won't be confiscating weapons.

What happens in the federal areas, I can't say.

But we have our share of local thugs who will come out for opportunity. And many will be imported.

Edited to add: I would guess the National Guard would provide security in the FEMA areas. Arrestee's would go to the local regional jail. But, if it was a major evacuation and consisting of many major cities getting hit local law enforcement would be swamped. Few arrests would be made due to manning issues. People are responsibility for their own safety.

Hopefully something like this will never happen. An emergency brings out the best in people. And the worst in people.