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Old June 16th, 2007, 03:30 PM   #1
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Question Narrowing SHTF/Truck Gun Choices

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I hate to beat a dead horse, as I have read and re-read the threads on best SHTF and Truck Guns, but I could really use some advice before I make my final choice. I have narrowed it down to either another Rem. 870 Police or a Yugo AK. The factors I've considered are: (1) cost -- both are relatively cheap, but the 870's cheaper b/c it doesn't require mags, strippers, etc.; (2) redundency -- I've already got one 870 dedicated to homestead defense, and some buckshot laid back; (3) compactness -- both will fit in a pack w/ a folding stock; (4) reliability -- both are reliable; (5) potential threats on the way to my AO -- two legged (lots of "guest workers" and wannabe gang-bangers, MS13 (area construction crews heavily infiltrated) potential for getting caught in major traffic jams w/ lots of desperate commuters/suburbanites, other rogue elements, etc.); four legged -- not much. Worst case scenario would include dogs or black bear; (6) adaptability -- the terrain between my office and my AO is semi-rural. Potential for encountering crowds and/or critters (see no. 5). I'm most concerned about getting out of crowds of two leggers, so the semi-auto seems a better choice for crowd control. Along with this, everything I have for homestead defense is domestic caliber (.308, .223, .45 and 12 ga.). I don't have anything in 7.62 x 39 for when the ChiComs make their move, or for when our "guest worker" population breaks bad (assuming the reconquista crowd uses AK's), so the AK appeals to me for this reason. It would be nice to have something in the same caliber as these bad guys; (7) noise discipline -- the idea of working the pump action seems like it could be a problem in certain situations b/c of this; (8) weight -- not too familiar w/ AK's, but my 870 is pretty heavy. I'm guessing the AK would be lighter. I'm not the smallest guy around, so I could hump either, but want to keep it light, mobile and quick; (9) legal considerations -- popping somebody with a scattergun in self defense would seem to be easier to explain once things die down than would stitching them with an AK; (10) maneuverability -- I commute in a compact car, so the idea of a 16" barreled AK seems easier to handle in the cockpit than does an 18" 870; and (11) storage -- I don't like the idea of loaded mags and spring wear, which means either the 870 or stripper clips. I'd really appreciate your advice on this one.

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Old June 16th, 2007, 06:00 PM   #2
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If you like the 223 (which I don't) consider the Ruger Mini-14.

Consider that with your 870 you can easy enough be taken out because of distance by someone with a 22LR.

I would pick an AK with underfold or sidefolding stock. Just leave one mag loaded & the others empty. Once every 3-4 weeks download the loaded mag & load a different one. That will give the mag time to "rest".

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Old June 16th, 2007, 06:12 PM   #3
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just a few more things to think over.

a AK with a under folder is way more compact. and could be disguised easier. if you do have to just leave the truck/car and have to walk/travel. best to keep your weapon hidden or disquised. you don't want to be mistaken by the land owner with a scoped deer rifle as a gang banger, etc....

fatigue from Spring compression is over rated. load em and every so often practice with it make sure it functions properly. keep a few spares empty to replace if ever do have any issues.

30rds vs 6. hmmmm? Lighter ammo. compare 25 rds of 12 ga. vs 1 loaded ak mag.

Legal defense after the fact? You are screwed no matter what long arm you chose. AK does have more "evil/sinister" attached to it than a shotgun but install the folding stock and 18" bbl and extended tube-- oh well!

Don't get me wrong I like my 870s -work great in the house and in my boat. but in open terrain the AK wins.

If we have a major Catostrophic event that triggers chaos in the masses. Your main goal will be to make it back to your AO. Not to have a battle. Escape and evade is primary. if there are looters/rioters/gangbangers etc.. they will most likely go after the soft targets first and leave the guy with the rifle or shotgun alone to GTHOD!. so in this scenario the AK's sinister apperance works in you favor. of course so does the 12 ga.
I think you are on the right track. Just remember the Law enforcement and miltary are going to be on high alert for any armed person. ( see RITA aftermath) So E&E from them is also important. keep it light and compact. don't engage anyone unless you can't do anything else!
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If you go with a folding AK consider getting a backpack that it will fit into.

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Old June 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #5
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Spring wear isn't a problem. Its use of a spring that wears it out and not a static load, ie a loaded mag, so loading and unloading your mag will put more wear and tear on a spring then a fully loaded one that is left alone. A loaded mag is a happy mag.

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Old June 17th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #6
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Thanks for the input, gang. Sounds like the AK is the way to go. Might take awhile to get it, but I'll try to remember to post updates on my set up once I get it squared away.

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Old June 18th, 2007, 04:14 AM   #7
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Dunno if SBR's are legal where you live, but my ideal truck AK would be a Yugo M92 kit built with a AK74 side folder instead if the underfolding stock and trunnion that comes with a M92 kit. The M92 kits can still be found in the white for $400 from ohio rapid fire I believe, I would check there first to make sure they are in stock otherwise youll have to search around a bit.

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Old June 18th, 2007, 10:11 AM   #8
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Hmmm, now you got me thinking about cheap vehicle guns. I was thinking about getting AR's and keeping them in the vehicle but it would be a lot smarter to get cheaper stuff were it ever to be stolen. I think I'd put a lojack on my car if I ever kept a gun in it permanently.

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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:13 AM   #9
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AK for the reasons posted.

Good hunting!


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Old June 27th, 2007, 02:34 PM   #10
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Update re: truck gun

Thanks again for the advice, gang. Good news. I was able to pick up an excellent condition Romanian SAR 1 w/Romanian side folding stock, slant muzzle brake, 2 handgaurds (synthetic and original wood), 1 30 rd. mag and canvas sling for under $400. It'll be going in the BOB along with other essentials.

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Sounds like you did just fine.

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If you like the 223 (which I don't) consider the Ruger Mini-14.

Consider that with your 870 you can easy enough be taken out because of distance by someone with a 22LR.

I would pick an AK with underfold or sidefolding stock. Just leave one mag loaded & the others empty. Once every 3-4 weeks download the loaded mag & load a different one. That will give the mag time to "rest".

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Thats why me keeps some nice slugs ready, "30 gallon drum"OA at 145 yards through the 21" bbl with rifle sights.

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Old July 24th, 2007, 10:35 PM   #13
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Ket-Tec Sub 2000 40 cal S&W, glock 22(mags)

I bought the Kel-Teck for it concealability in my vehicle. It folds down small and fits in the black back I ordered for it.

I carry extra mags in a Bianchi holder. I have seven mags and the rifle ready to go.

It is very accurate and super light, if I need to strike out on foot(away from my vehicle).

The 40 cal is potent enough for most things under 25 yards, especially with the quantity of rounds.

I can carry it like it was a laptop computer! I really like the stealth. It folds out right quick and I can hit very well with it.

I love my M1A, and like to have it in the vehicle as well, But I really like the idea that I can walk down the street with my carbine in hand if times call for it.


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All the above are good choices, but don't overlook a model 94 Trapper in .44 mag. Relatively short package, almost totally non-descript should it be seen by someone, so slim you could velcro it to the headliner and it might go undetected, dirt common ammo, highcap mag built in, and hard-hitting out to 150 yards.

I went another way but I'm still keeping an eye out for one.

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Old October 12th, 2007, 10:30 AM   #15
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Coming in late on this discussion. I bought my Yugo underfolder primarily for it's ease of concealment. It's powerful, reliable, accurate to minute of bad guy, and small enough to conceal in a backpack or under a coat. And it's cheap! For me it's the perfect (GMHG) get me home gun.

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