M14 Forum

Philz M1A · February 10th, 2012, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by USMC 711

I heard a lot of them make statements like "were not crazy" etc. yet they are obsessively focused on this way of life to the point that the more mainstream important points of child rearing seemed to be lost or muddled: what about education and all that? The kids accept eating Tilapia every day - for Christ's sake.

I was more attracted to those who had self sustaining ranches. While they are at it, why not produce a surplus they can barter with their neightbors to get some semblance of a post whatever economy functioning, and some central point to congregate like a good old fashioned Church.

Great points for sure. It is one thing to have prepping as one of the priorities (more emphasis than a hobby) in your life, and it is another thing entirely to forsake everything else in your life to pursue prepping. Who am I to tell these people how to spend their time, but like you have mentioned what about the kids? I have other hobbies that I enjoy pursuing, still like to pursue "man stuff" and have fun with the family.

We all are in agreement that prepping is important, but we don't sit around counting buckets of wheat and loading magazines for 4 hours a day, which seems a little extreme.

I too think the self sustaining ranches are very impressive and have that as my pie in the sky goal one day. The only problems I would face would the the fact that I have never grown anything, and never raised any animals (do dogs count?). I have walked into a Tractor Supply store a few times, if that helps.

ppcshooter1 · February 10th, 2012, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Philz M1A

I have walked into a Tractor Supply store a few times, if that helps.

Is that like staying at a Holiday Inn Express?

Marty

Butzbach · February 10th, 2012, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreampiper

I have met quite a few people who said they could not shoot another human being, some even if it were to stop their young daughter from being raped. I cannot wrap my mind around that state of mind, but if someone is handicapped in that way I definitely would not recommend they have firearms. I most definitely have not met a farmer with that mentality though.

Makes you wonder if some of the big conflicts of the 20th century might not have thinned out the gene pool a bit. (The numbers of casualties while horrifically large really do not support this theory though even in Europe.)

Modern living and medicine on the other hand may be preserving a significant number of folks without primal survival instincts.

huntinghawk · February 10th, 2012, 05:20 AM

If you don't set up to be able to barter or trade you will utimately fail. Towns were initially set up as a place of barter & trade. You can't grow, raise, repair, & make everything you need to survive for a sustained length of time yourself especially if you have a family. So without producing something extra I believe you will ultimately fail. Can you do your own doctoring & make your own medical supplies?

Gold, silver, etc is only worth what someone will give you for it.

JMO,
HH

jim-analog · February 10th, 2012, 09:52 AM

Greetings,

This is really strange:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI

Seems one of the fellows that was on the program has ended up on the wrong side of .gov (or so it seems). Check out his video if you have 9 minutes to spare.

Regards, Jim

54321 · February 10th, 2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jim-analog

Greetings,

This is really strange:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI

Seems one of the fellows that was on the program has ended up on the wrong side of .gov (or so it seems). Check out his video if you have 9 minutes to spare.

Regards, Jim

I just saw this recently.

How messed up is that. Seemed the only thing the guy could enjoy anymore was shooting

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jim-analog · February 10th, 2012, 10:13 AM

Greetings,

I see this as another lesson to be very careful regarding OPSEC. A random comment can be used against you so very easily these days. Keep your specific plans and details (and perhaps even opinions) known to only those trusted few close to you and be wary of everyone else. Sad to say...........

Regards, Jim

drbub22 · February 10th, 2012, 11:37 PM

You can always count on editing and agenda to affect the presentation. Megan Hurwitt was the party girl from Houston. The producer offered her $1000 to shoot her cat on camera. And her real reason for prepping, hurricanes, was "too boring," so they had her amp it up a bit to something sexy like oil supply disruption. This is a link to an article wherein she describes her experience with the show.

How Nat Geo misrepresented the foxhole atheist ‘Doomsday Prepper’, Megan Hurwitt
http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyo...megan-hurwitt/

I had also considered watching the show in order to perhaps learn a few things. However, after watching about 2-3 hours of it, I'm disappointed. And I've decided the following:
1. If you want to learn something, read Rawles. Skip this mockery.
2. I wouldn't encourage beginners, fence-sitters, or friends who are curious about prepping to watch a show that points out how glaringly obvious is the foregone conclusion, well-accepted, that preppers are nuts with whom no sane person would be associated.
3. I won't be watching future episodes, because I won't give them the viewer numbers or ratings they are trying to draw. Their sensationalism might draw viewers from the Left who look for excuses to mock the Right, but it will have minimal appeal to students of the subject.
4. I would welcome, and watch, a good show. Maybe the nice plus-sized lady would do a cooking show, covering food storage, safety, menus, and cooking with storage foods. Or maybe the Outdoors channel could cover some subjects.
5. What a pity National Geographic has missed an opportunity to teach. I had always expected better from them.

Philz M1A · February 14th, 2012, 07:06 PM

Just finished watching tonight's episode. One guy blows his own thumb off but claims the weapon misfired. Right.

Also, I like how the guy in North Carolina shows everyone on national television his formerly "secret" room which hides all of his preps.

I kind of felt bad for the family in NYC. I mean no matter how much you really prep that is a BAD area to be if the SHTF. No guns either? I shudder to think...

Hungry1 · February 15th, 2012, 07:15 AM

The Crovel guy seemed like a good family man and a bit of a salesman, they all need to work on firearm safety.

The urban farmer's production was impressive. Could be difficult to defend their location from hungry folks though.

The fireman in NYC needs to move in my opinion. NYC seems like a predictable target for many probable disasters. Bloomberg's criminal gun control is just wrong.

The Nat Geo "experts" that predict nothing will ever happen are just plain goofy.

I like the show and hope it encourages more people to prep even though Nat Geo seems to want paint all preppers as nuts.

huntinghawk · February 15th, 2012, 07:36 AM

Actually the urban farmer is in a seriously bad location being adjacent to a six lane interstate. Interstates have the worst wrecks of major spills & air contamination. Minimum safety I would suggest no more then 1/4 mile from an interstate or railroad.

HH

Philz M1A · February 15th, 2012, 07:44 AM

It is funny that the experts always play down the possibility that anything would happen. The possibility of hyperinflation happening? Oh don't worry, experts agree that will never happen. The same experts (aka Bernake) who said the recession wouldn't happen, that housing prices would continue to rise, that Fannie and Freddie wouldn't tank...? Yea, those "experts" are worth trusting.

Maintain the status quo, don't upset the public, no matter what the cost.

GARRARD · February 15th, 2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Philz M1A

It is funny that the experts always play down the possibility that anything would happen. The possibility of hyperinflation happening? Oh don't worry, experts agree that will never happen. The same experts (aka Bernake) who said the recession wouldn't happen, that housing prices would continue to rise, that Fannie and Freddie wouldn't tank...? Yea, those "experts" are worth trusting.

Maintain the status quo, don't upset the public, no matter what the cost.

That's a damn good point. The experts once said that Earth was flat and the universe revolved around it. History has constantly shown that no one knows the future.

tmcfalls · February 15th, 2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Philz M1A

Just finished watching tonight's episode. One guy blows his own thumb off but claims the weapon misfired. Right.

Also, I like how the guy in North Carolina shows everyone on national television his formerly "secret" room which hides all of his preps.

I kind of felt bad for the family in NYC. I mean no matter how much you really prep that is a BAD area to be if the SHTF. No guns either? I shudder to think...

How the hell did the Crovel guy blow the middle of his thumb away? I wasn't paying close attention at the time. From what I saw he was just shooting away and ended up getting his thumb in front of the muzzle.

huntinghawk · February 15th, 2012, 08:52 AM

Notice that the "experts" say everything everyone is prepping for the chance of it happening is under 1%. Yet everything everyone is prepping for basically has already happened. For example:
Cat5 hurricane striking New Orleans.
Early 70s oil embargo.
Twin towers & Pentagon struck by aircraft.
Northeast power grid going black.
California earthquakes totally destroying cities.
Yellowstone super volcano.
Huge tsunami striking the NW coast.
Major US bridges collapsing.
US trucking industry going on strike.
Major food supplies contaminated.

Shall we continue or do you get the point?

HH