M14 Forum

recovering gunnut · January 11th, 2012, 09:45 PM

What's with the salt and beans? am I going to give you 5 gallons of gas for anything less that chocolate vodka jams and yes sugar? how about canned meat I'VE NOTICED THIS SITE WANTS QUICK NOT COMPLEX RESPONSES.

Seventh Fleet · January 12th, 2012, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adrbe

True. Good point. I don't actually package my own salt, I just buy it in normal cans (1lb, 10oz) from the grocery store and leave it as is. I use the oxy packs for everything else, like beans, rice, potatoes, etc. My main concern isn't rotting, but rather loss of nutrients.

That said, I wonder about sugar? Would an oxy pack be warranted there? In any case, I buy the oxy packs at the local Mormon cannery and they are only $0.10 each. Probably better safe than sorry.

Another question for the board: how much salt is enough? Obviously it would be used for flavoring, but I wonder what the adequate daily intake of salt for an adult is? I would also suspect that it would take a lot of salt to preserve any meats, and once used it would have to be discarded. I don't know, I have never salted meat. Right now I'm thinking 25lbs would be a good start, but what do others think would be adequate for a year's supply?

Sugar will also last forever, as is no oxy absorber needed. Just keep it dry and sealed in an air tight container to keep moisture from turning it into a solid brick.

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Palladin · January 12th, 2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweets

Costco is the best source that I've been able to find for things like spices, and personally I actually would rather acquire things that will lose flavour a pound or so at a time over 4 years, rather than buy shall we say 50 lbs all at once. For things like table salt, perhaps Googling the companies will turn up a way to buy factory-style quantities.

BTW, I support the notion of buying iodized salt- if you live away from the sea, iodine is almost impossible to get in food and lack of it causes goiter, severe swelling of the thyroid gland, something often seen in mountain tribes even to this day. Goiter is why iodine is added in the first place.

I'm not a Costco member but your message regarding smaller quantities is loud and clear. I'll go that route.

I brought up iodized salt for just the reasons you mentioned. I also keep non-iodized for mounting animal trophy's and such.

Earthquake · January 13th, 2012, 02:23 PM

You can buy pepper corns and other spices at Sam Club in 1lb containers, I thinking I might put a couple bottles of chicken and beef bullion cubes away too, they have enough salt in them they should last awhile. I wonder how long Tabasco sauce will last unopened? I dont know if I could survive with out Tabasco sauce.

Casey

broylz · January 17th, 2012, 06:57 PM

i keep a 1lb bottle from Sams club of alot of different spices in the cupboard and at least one more in the pantry.

another method for bulk salts is livestock blocks. i use these as a way to keep a couple hundred lbs of salt relatively easy in my garage. i actually prefer the smaller 4lb blocks by the case since i dont have any livestock but the smaller bricks would be better for smaller livestock like rabbits and can be used to attract the neighborhood deer.

Dreampiper · January 17th, 2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthquake

You can buy pepper corns and other spices at Sam Club in 1lb containers, I thinking I might put a couple bottles of chicken and beef bullion cubes away too, they have enough salt in them they should last awhile. I wonder how long Tabasco sauce will last unopened? I dont know if I could survive with out Tabasco sauce.

Casey

I've opened some 6 year old mres and the tobacco looked kind of off...

Earthquake · January 17th, 2012, 09:32 PM

Picked up 8lbs of salt at Sams Club today for $2.00 [2- 4lb boxes @ $.98 each]
I also bought a bottle of chicken bullion cubes too, any body know how long they will last if vacuum sealed? I am going to pack every thing in vacuum bags and store in 6 gal buckets with Gamma seal lids for easy access.
I hope you guys dont get mad at me for asking a lot of questions, I'm kind of new at this. [ I wish I would have started years ago]

Casey

SOCOM42 · January 17th, 2012, 09:39 PM

If the bullion cubes are the large soft ones the have a very short shelf light.
Vac and freezing will extend out to about six years.

Better with the hard dried half inch square ones,

good for about twelve+ years with vac and freezing.

M2API · January 18th, 2012, 06:11 AM

Good tip about the bullion, I did not know that. Luckily most of mine are the small, hard ones.

This thread made me take notice that I was lacking in spices so in the last few days I've been picking some up. Other than very basic stuff I don't know alot about cooking and spices so I need to take the GF along next time.

I was going thru the trap shed and found a bunch of salt in 1# containers left over from coyote trapping. It is as hard as a rock but it is still salt. A mortar and pestal would break it up pretty well.

To me salt is something that you just wouldn't want to run out of.

I have good vinegar that is several years old.

About freezing stuff. I've had good success with freezing things like noodles, flour, corn meal, Jiffy Mix, packaged pasta meals ect. It keeps those mealy worms from taking over.

aldenl · February 14th, 2012, 02:28 PM

You can get bulk salt at feed & seed stores. It is sold for cattle and horses but you can easily use for for other needs and it's cheaper than buying at Costco/ Sams or any other place.

Dredsen · February 14th, 2012, 02:43 PM

beans and rice is all you need , the rest is all quality of life related.

We are doing ranch style beans and the grocery store brand 10lb bag of rice.

I have two of the daltrex 3600 cal food bars on the way.

I live in a region where there is a reasonable size population for a radius of 500 miles (bet u can guess right where I'm at if you know your map).

We will have TONS of steak if theres a WROL or SHTF or TEOTWAWKO. Granted, anything is possible.

DukeRustfield · February 14th, 2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by huntinghawk

Beans can replace meat for protein & is much cheaper which is why so prevelant for long term survial stores.

HH

Nuts! But meat isn't just protein. And protein isn't just protein. Instead of quoting it all, here's a bunch of stuff that's probably too long and fluffy. But there's good info there. The long and the short is meat > other sources of protein for various reasons. I get really pissed when kids are "forced" into being vegan and such, it's really not healthy for them unless it's done 100% perfectly.

http://www.nutribodyprotein.com/protein-types.php

I was listening to the cooking show on the radio (hey, leave me alone) and they mentioned 100 year old olive oil. I snapped out of what I was doing and listened. I'm not sure if that was hype or I misheard, but a quick search around tells me it definately lasts for years if stored right, and it's pretty good for us. And, if worse comes to worse, it has a decent amount of calories for such a small serving. Though subsisting on olive oil could make for needing lots of toilet paper.