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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:21 AM   #1
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M17 ENFIELD MATCH RIFLE-A White elephant?

I bought this rifle out of an estate sale in Sea Girt NJ. As you know, this was the original National Match site in the early 1900's. Has anyone ever heard of any Enfield NM Rifles being built? It is a Remington with original blue beautiful finish. It has custom sights and a 3-4pound trigger pull(approx )-2 stage. Custom Enfield? Any ideas?? Thanks Cappy








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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:05 AM   #2
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someone's hi-power match gun, but not a NM rifle.

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I remember a fellow who shot the matches at Old Bridge N.J. that had a set up like that. Could be the same rifle? It's probably not 40 miles to Sea Girt.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 05:57 PM   #4
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Possibly. I bought this rifle back in 1990. Any idea wahat the Troop C stood for??
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I have seen some pictures of rifles like this in old Camp Perry and other matches in the 1950's and 1960's. My understanding is that they were a match rifle on the cheap. Lots of 1903A3's were done up like that too. The model 1917 was never an issued match rifle and neither was the 1903A3. But, back then you could get them for (according to the really old timers at the club) about 15 bucks. Have a smith put Redfield sights and a few other tricks and bang your in the game. A buddy that shoots NRA HP with me has a similar rifle and a 1903 NM type (it's not a real USGI NM with a star gauged barrel) but, it's done in the same style and shoots fantastic. It has a beautiful blue on it that would cost a fortune today. No idea when it was built, but, it's very cool. I wold not mess it, and just shoot it at a match to get some looks and WTF's. If your set on restoring it to it's full glory, then you can likely do so, if you can find the front sight base and the rear sight parts. May have to buy a junker rifle just to get the parts. And, the demand has gone up on them oddly enough. Troop usually mens Calvary (men on horeback) Soldiers. A troop is like a company sized force. So, Troop C would be one of maybe 4 (like A Troop B Troop ect) in a Squadron or Battalion. If that is what you meant by your question.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:28 PM   #6
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BTW, I was just looking at the sling on it; if that sling is stamped with a date from WWI then some collector would likely pay as much as the whole dam rifle is worth for it since it looks to be in such good shape. I had a guy try to buy a Boyt 42 sling I got on a 1903A3 for a hundred bucks and it was ok but not even the nicest one I have.

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Old April 16th, 2011, 08:35 AM   #7
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Thanks for the information Micheal C. Interesting. The sling is original-stamped 1917. I have fired this gun at our beautiful local range and have tried to hit the magic "gong" at 700 meters. Close..close. Eyes are getting older.I'm not going to restore it because if is just a phenomenal rifle to shoot. I have never heard of any 1917 Enfields for match use or seen any others.The blueing is original and fantastic(although a little dusty in the photos).. Thanks for the info! Cappy


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gotta remember,back then there was not any barrel makers or custom rifle makers you have today that people could afford.they had to use what was available or military armorers available to the cmp or,if they were in the reserves,base armorers.cmp sold these weapons in the 60's(still have pops 3),for like 20 bucks each.lyman was the usual sight maker at the time.pop had his 42 rem 03a3 he put the lyman rear with the 17a insert type front sight on.he left the carbine alone but put a sw 32 kit gun rear sight on the colt 1911,diamond lapped the slide/frame and used a gold cup sear assembly

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Nice wood and metal.

Obviously someone built a “match rifle” using an Olympic front on an existing commercial front sight base. That can be replaced but the holes holding the Lyman 48S? are permanent.

There were, and I have one, very expensive A.J. Parker rear sights that are drop in on the M1917. I really don’t know any other period target rear sights for the M1917, British sights would have been hard to find, so the maker had to find something that would work.

It is too bad that someone never made a drop in ladder sight that had windage. I would have purchased one.

That rifle would be hard to shoot in standing, sitting, and prone because the rear sight is so high off the comb. A M1917 is hard to shoot with standard irons because you just can’t get a good stock weld, those sights being even higher would increase the difficulty.

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The Ferris book on the 1917 tells us that during and after WWI , there was considerable effort at US arsenals to turn the 1917 into a match and even snipers rifle. They had great barrels , and were made to tighter standards than production 1903 barrels. And there were LOTS of them to play with. Chances are slim , but that rifle just may have been an ROTC or National Guard units match rifle. Rear sight looks like the one used on 1903 and 1922 match rifles.

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Beautiful, whatever it is.

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