This is a discussion on 6.5x55 Swede within the Bolt Action forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I tried to save some money and used the PRIVI 140g fmjbt and while it will hold this to 450 yards it was clear the ...
I tried to save some money and used the PRIVI 140g fmjbt and while it will hold this to 450 yards it was clear the SMK was best. Note these are 25 yard hand gun targets so your shooting small from th get go.
RL-22 is hard to beat with 140 grain and heavier bullets. (it may work with lighter bullets but so do some faster powders such as RL-19, etc.) I do have at least one manual with "modern" rifle loads that are slightly hotter than Mauser 94/96 loads. Note the stronger rifle action only helps some with 6.5x55 as the case design is not as strong as the x57 Mauser cases. I have some Sako factory load data with Vhitavuori powder somewhere. The factory loads are very good and not quite as hot as max loads listed by Vhitavuori. I may only have one or two of the factory Sako loads.
It must be double checked, but off the top off my head I think 48.0 grains of RL-22 with a 140 grain bullet is a classic load. (It's not a wimpy load.)
Okay, I went down to one of the better sporting goods stores after work this afternoon and bought a set of RCBS 6.5 Swede dies, a #2 shell holder and a box of Hornady A-Max 140 grs. I have paid some attention to the slowly spiraling of bullet prices over the years and was not overly concerned at the A-Max prices per box, but the cost of the dies, $38 and some change caught me a little by surprise. But then again, I have not bought any new rifle dies in almost 20 years or so, so it does not surprise me. Oh well, like anything else at my age, no matter what I buy, it will last me the rest of my life.
More to follow later. Thanks again for all the comments Pards..
I certainly need to read it again to get a better grip on it, but I do understand your words, Quote, "Namely, that we use high quality bullets and the slowest twist that will adequately stabilize that bullet." Unquote.
I guess my question is why would Hornady make this statement about their 140 grain A-MAX???”
Here is his reply,
Quote “The A-Max bullets like other tipped bullets are all long for their weight
and bullet length has a lot to do with twist required. The 140's are
probably best in an 8" twist. That is what I would recommend. That said, I
think you'll find the 9" will work fine for you with those bullets.” Unquote
I wanted this reticle because I’m not a huge fan of mils/mil dot etc, etc. Even though I used it for years in tank gunnery and other Soldier related tactical ranging tasks. For me as mostly a KD shooter MOA is what I like, if I need to range something, I’ll just use the following.
target size in inches ÷ M.O.A. x 100 = range in yards
Same formula different angular measurement.
I purchased one set of steel rings but will get another set also, I like to double ring all my scopes, no matter what the caliber, (see below, probably guaranteed to get some laughs and comments).
Anyway, I had my Pard mrgoodrifle motor down to pick up my purchase. He took my new shooter with him to see which height of rings will get the scope the lowest to the barrel and action. I’m heading over next month on a good weather weekend to pick it up. Between now and then I need to load up a few starting loads using data provided by helpful folks here. (BTW, Many Thanks to All)... Funny, one of the guys at work who put together a .260 Rem hunting rifle for his wife scoffs at me almost on a daily basis for going with the 6.5x55 caliber round. The below picture is my little winter shooter which I use to keep my skills up. In retrospect I wish I would have spent another $1500.00 on the rifle and bought the best there is. I’m a firm believer of pay now or later, That is why I have not scrimped on this 6.5x55 M721 Rem. project.
Even though this thread is almost six months old, I am going to add my chronograph data.
Based on my comparision of Swedish ball and my handloads, a load of 140 gr Hornday Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350 is equivalent to Swedish ball, give or take a little.
This load is very accurate. Accurate Arms told me that their 4350 is a ballistic copy of IMR 4350, and based on my testing, I don't see much of a difference over the screens. Buy it if it is cheaper.
IMR 4350 works very well in this case, so does AA2700, a slow ball powder.
You can push things faster in modern actions, like the Rem 700's in 6.5 Swede or the Winchester M70's that were made in 6.5 Swede. I really love the balance and slickness of my controlled round feed M70.
I would not push things faster in any Swedish M94 or M96 action. These actions are made of plain carbon steels and I have to assume the Swedes understood the limitations of the steels and the action design when they loaded their service rifle ammunition.
Modern actions made of alloy steels should, all things being equal, handle pressures better.
M1896 Infantry Rifle 29' barrel Carl Gustafs mfgr 1903
17-Aug-06 T = 85 °F
143 gr FMJ 1986 Swedish Ball
Ave Vel = 2610
Std Dev = 14.38
ES = 45.59
High = 2633
Low = 2587
N = 8
M38 Infantry Carbine 24" barrel
28-Oct-94 T ≈ 60 °F
143 gr 1986 Swedish Ball OAL 3.065" 47.4 grs powder average
Ave Vel = 2427
Std Dev = 22
ES = 62
Low = 2395
High = 2457
N = 10
M700 22" Barrel
143 gr Swedish Ball 1986 headstamp
2 Feb 2008 T = 54 °F
Ave Vel = 2470
Std Dev = 18
ES = 48
High = 2491
Low = 2443
N = 5
140 gr Hornday Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350
R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990"
2 Feb 2008 T = 52 °F
Ave Vel = 2512
Std Dev = 27
ES = 72
High = 2547
Low = 2475
N = 5
Okay, as I have said before, quality takes time… I’m spending the weekend hanging out with mrgoodrifle and his spousal unit, call sign “Lowlibido”…We got my Nightforce 5.5x22x NXS manually operated “Fire Control System” mounted and boresighted today. So I thought I’d share some pictures for the “doubters”… Enjoy… (Oh, weight as is, is 14.32 lbs unloaded)
Here it is Solo
With my M&P15/Compass Lake Engineering NM upper combo…as a size comparison reference, BTW, Thank You very much Mr. Wxxxx aka FWhite