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Old April 16th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #1
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Bill, another magazine wrapped ?

Here is a picture of a magazine wrapper that contained a legit KMT magazine. Different says KMT didn't get a a contract until 1965. Wrapper is dated 1963. What's up with that?

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Old April 17th, 2011, 02:48 AM   #2
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It depends upon what the date is. Is the date the time the wrapping material was made? Wrapping material was stored and could be use years after it was made. Or is the date the time the magazine was wrapped and sealed.

I do not know all of KMT's magazine contracts, but I know I have some KMT magazines in Springfield Armory wrappers that are quite early. KMT was a magazine sub contractor to SA during the rifle production, and that would not show up as an separate Ordnance Spare Parts Contract.

The package below was so early that SA was marking them as being Fire Tested Magazines. They are KMT inside.



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As stated the record of contracts shows Ordnance Spare Parts, which probably started as Different found, in 1965 for Kileen.

If the magazines were produced for SA, which yours and mine were, they become recorded in the M14 Production Costs, because each rifle had a quantity of magazines with it.

Yours was packed in 1963.

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My web site crash last week on the server. I was away at a gun show. So uploading it again hopefully will be done sometime this week.

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Since there are some of these KMT mags being sold as Westinghouse mags in the PX. Again the (W) does NOT stand for Westinghouse, or Winchester either.

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So what doe the W stand for i have a M14 barrel tube that had a SA barrel in it,but had the W marked like yours did?

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From what I understand, the letter "W" is a holdover from an earlier time when the individual army service branches did their own contracting. Contracts issued by army ordnance during that earlier time contained the letter "W" in the contract number to identify it as an ordnance contract. When army purchasing was centralized under the Army Materiel Command (that is what the "AMC" in the contract number denotes) the letter "W" continued in use as an element in the contract number to identify the contract as an ordnance contract.

Think of it as somewhat like the circumstance with the old SNL system which had unique alpha numeric identifiers for each weapons system. Even though the SNL system was phased out with the adoption of the FSN system, the B053 identifier had earlier been established for the M14 so you will see early production parts utilize the SNL number as a suffix to the FSN.

I doubt your SA barrel was the original barrel in the tube as SA did not mark their packaging with a contract number as it was not necessary since the army owned SA. SA was given production orders, the army did not contract with SA to do manufacturing.

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Bill,the barrel tube reads Springfield Armory,with a date of 02/63,was just curios what the (W) stood for,it slso has the drawing number for a NM barrel,im pretty sure its the original tube to go with that barrel,the barrel is slso NM marked 63 dated piece

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I don't believe Bill is listening .....

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Bert, I don't believe Bill has been listening for a very long time. I guess we are on our own.

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Bert, I don't believe Bill has been listening for a very long time. I guess we are on our own.

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I just did not want "forceman" to have the mistaken impression that Bill was answering his question.

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Bill,the barrel tube reads Springfield Armory,with a date of 02/63,was just curios what the (W) stood for,it slso has the drawing number for a NM barrel,im pretty sure its the original tube to go with that barrel,the barrel is slso NM marked 63 dated piece
I suggest you post a photo of the tube with a close-up of the markings.

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Bill is alive and well, though. I saw him at a gun show outside of Philly in December 2016.

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