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Old October 12th, 2016, 12:24 PM   #1
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Breaking the M1a down dilemma.

On the face of this, to or not to do, question most prefer not to break their M1A down... The reason is because the receiver has a tendancy to scrap away bedding material. Some of the commercial receivers have small overhangs that act as scrappers in both directions of a break down.. When you next have the receiver out stone all 90 degree angles to a smooth edge, all of them,,,, this will stop most of the scraping..

The issue is a toss up in my camp, regardless of how careful the rifle is cleaned some solvent manages to find it's way to the beddding, every time without exception. Solvent occupies space, it attackts the bedding... The damage done by solvent is more severe that the possible scrapping during removal.. J B Weld does not hold up well to solvent in my experience, of all the bedding materials used over the years Marine Tex is th emost imperverious to solvents that I have found...

This is not offered as a solution, but rather a choice to make.

Since the Want to Buy is awol, Anybody have GI M14 Trig Housing for sale??? And, who made the stock--- 11001262 boxed S on the butt...Art

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wouldn't cleaning it with the magwell pointing up stop that issue till it dries?

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J B Weld does not hold up well to solvent in my experience, of all the bedding materials used over the years Marine Tex is th emost imperverious to solvents that I have found...
This was an eye-opener. I used JB Weld to affix the carbon fiber strips to the inside of the forearm of my fiberglass stock. I don't think I ever get much solvent into that area but it is a good piece of information to keep in mind. I don't have my receiver bedded so I don't have to worry about solvents in that area.

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wouldn't cleaning it with the magwell pointing up stop that issue till it dries?
If anyone finds a way to keep solvent off the bedding please share it.. Since the 1960's and the M1 match garands no-one has come up with a solution.. Hoppe's no. 9 does not seem to really dry well, if it does, it is a slow process, the solvent I find is liquid, to clean the bore I start with Butches, followed by No 9, leaving a good coat in the bore to wipe out later on next use.. The wipe out patches are not what I would call dry, not liquid either, but there to be seen, greenish and stained .....

JB Weld is triffic stuff, makes an excellent bedding material and bonding epoxy, but for long term, Marine Tex and Bisonite are better against solvents...

My advise is, if your rifle opens up for no apperent reason, check the bedding for liquids.. Wipe th e bedding with an Aceton dampened patch, get in the cornors, wipe the receiver as well.. One old trick was to keep lube off the recoil spring the last two inchs short of the receiver, this is where the lube transfers to the guide and the down into the bedding.. Art

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The stock is most likely from Sykes Manufacturing. They used an S in a half box or half diamond. The only other S marking I know of is the SA found on Springfield M14 stocks. Not sure about your part number, but it is close to some of the numbers found in late over sized NM stocks.

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regardless of how careful the rifle is cleaned some solvent manages to find it's way to the beddding, every time without exception.

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I can attest to this. I only pull my receiver out once a year (about 1000 to 1200 rounds average) and no matter how careful I am while cleaning, or stuffing a wad of paper towel in the chamber held by the bolt afterwards, there's a little bit of solvent here and there on the receiver and on the bedding. I use Devcon and it seems to hold up well, but the solvent is still getting between the surfaces.

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The stock is most likely from Sykes Manufacturing. They used an S in a half box or half diamond. The only other S marking I know of is the SA found on Springfield M14 stocks. Not sure about your part number, but it is close to some of the numbers found in late over sized NM stocks.
Ted, it was originally thought that Sykes made the stocks, but new information surfaced, it was Sachs & Sons who in fact made the stocks.

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Solvents and Stocks..

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This was an eye-opener. I used JB Weld to affix the carbon fiber strips to the inside of the forearm of my fiberglass stock. I don't think I ever get much solvent into that area but it is a good piece of information to keep in mind. I don't have my receiver bedded so I don't have to worry about solvents in that area.

Not to suggest you need to worry because your stock is not bedded so solvent getting to the wood is of no importance may be Ok if you never indent to have the stock bedded.. Solvent soaked wood stocks are signs to look for when purchasing a stock, attempting to bed a soaked wood stock is a lost cause.

Remove your rec. and wipe out solvents with acetone on a regular basis. Art

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Hi Art,

As far as the stock goes.

If it is stamped 11010282 then here is the information [Thanks to Mr. Emerson]:

* Part# 11010282
* Description - Wood stock sub-assembly National Match
* FSN or NSN - 1005-00-912-3711
* Comments - M14 National Match Sub-Assembly - Includes stock, ferrule, stock liner, liner screws, stock was routed, replaced 7791175 - with an original drawing date of June 1964.

Two manufactures did the NM / Big Red stocks:

Your stock with the ^S stamp and 11010282 would have been produced by H. Sacks & Sons Inc. located in Brookline, MA. They were a subcontractor for Springfield Armory.

Winchester was the second manufacturer of National Match / Big Red stocks - they are marked WW-11010263 for the bare stock or they could include WW-11010282 if it was the sub-assembly with the routing.

I have seen a number of the National Match Stocks with the routing, but normally the National Match stocks are the bare stock with the 11010263 stamp. From my many trips to Fred's I would say about 5% (or less) of the Big Reds had the routing most were the bare stock.

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Art,

I have the secret to keep solvent out of the bedding - don't clean the bore, just keep her greased up. Works for me.


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Point well taken regarding solvent weeping into areas it should not be, but observing others cleaning their M1A/M14 or other firearms it seems to me they use far more solvent than is necessary to do the job. The solvent is a chemical way to "clean" the bore and if a light coating is applied and permitted time for the chemical reaction to take place the goal of loosening/removing the residue from firing can be accomplished. Having no excess solvent is one way to help prevent the solvent from damaging the bedding or stock wood itself. If a small amount of solvent is good, then more is not necessarily better. Just a thought.

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Art,

I have the secret to keep solvent out of the bedding - don't clean the bore, just keep her greased up. Works for me.


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You better change your ways before the Devil knows your habits.. .Art

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