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Old September 9th, 2016, 01:06 PM   #1
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Response: Pillar bedding

After studying Shooting Sighs masterful work of a new method of clamping the M1A receiver to the stock several question come to mind. I am not trying to be critical just snoopy...

The big question is what has been accomplished that a proper bedding job would not do just as well? One answer may be: That is exactly what it accomplishes for those not able to do a proper bedding job.

The second question is: The parts machined are not something inexpensively produced nor are they easy to install....

The third question is; The concept is clever and the craftsmanship unique, but is that necessary when three to four simple items would do the same thing.

The positive feature is the Pillar Bedding, metal to metal rather than metal to bedding material to metal, which is NOT Pillar Bedding,, if any substance exists between metal to metal, this accomplishes nothing but spent money and more work for the individual laboring.. Those that own such an item will defend their item rather than admit owning a Codswallpled system....

Does anyone have a couple of GI M4 ejectors for sale?... Art

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Old September 9th, 2016, 03:12 PM   #2
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Mr. Luppino,
you wouldn't know where the original thread you are responding to can be found?
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Old September 9th, 2016, 03:58 PM   #3
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you wouldn't know where the original thread you are responding to can be found?
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You will have to search Shootingsights threads,, Sorry...Art

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Old September 9th, 2016, 04:18 PM   #4
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here is a link to ShootingSight thread:

Bedding Pillars for the M14 - Update

also, a search of the Forum for "bedding block" will yield many interesting ideas and methods about new bedding techniques.

The forum search engine is very good.

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Old September 9th, 2016, 10:17 PM   #5
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Several thoughts on why I decided to pursue this:

1. I do think it is better. Bedded systems have epoxy top and bottom, but there is still wood between these, which is subject to compression and/or swelling with humidity. Aluminum top to bottom eliminates all wood.

2. Regardless of better, it is almost certainly EASIER. A lot of effort can be eliminated by using this system. Certainly, if someone is paying for a bedding job, that cost is calculated in part on a dollars per hour basis, so if the time to complete the project is reduced it represents either a savings or a better profit for the person doing the work.

Savings come from the fact that you need a lot less epoxy: only enough to glue these parts in, not necessarily to make up the entire bed. I don't think savings in epoxy per se are important, but with that much less bedding, you don't need all the clay barriers, you reduce the risk of glueing in the action, etc. Also, if you are working on a new stock, McMillan has indicated they would develop and offer the CNC routing program so the stock would come inletted to receive these parts. Fulton also indicated that Boyd's supplies them, and would likely also offer pre-inletted stocks. This was very interesting to Fulton, as they saw this cutting multiple hours off every bedding job.

3. Longevity. When you disassemble a bedded rifle, the edges of the bedding can chip and loosen up. When you have metal bedding surfaces, this is less likely to happen.

Art, at the end of the day, I don't KNOW that these are a better idea, but the above reasons have convinced me it is at least worth trying. What will happen is some 'early adopter' people will try it because it looks interesting, and over time actual user data will build to say it is either a better idea, or it isn't. I'm not staking my entire wordly fortune on this, so I won't stand and convince people it's better than sliced bread if it actually looks to be an inferior system, and I'll simply not make a next batch. So failure IS an option.

However, I have now developed several products where I looked at it and thought I saw a better way to build a mousetrap. Not all my ideas have been successful, but some have, so I think this idea at least has enough merit that I'll try it. Once I get my first batch, I'd be delighted to send you one to try out, and invite you to post your thoughts.

Oh, and there is one more reason to try them: I did extensive consumer research with 18-25 year old women who had large breasts, and virtually all of them indicated they thought that men with pillar bedded systems in their rifle were MUCH more attractive. So I'm putting them in no matter what any of you all think.

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Oh, and there is one more reason to try them: I did extensive consumer research with 18-25 year old women who had large breasts, and virtually all of them indicated they thought that men with pillar bedded systems in their rifle were MUCH more attractive. So I'm putting them in no matter what any of you all think.
I'm sold right there!!!

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I should qualify that I don't fully understand the setup, but what looks like what might be a nice advantage is simply that the receiver gets to lock into a harder surface, so that if you remove/replace the stock more often, you're less likely to get variations in the system.

Though, if the bedded method resulted in little or no variation anyway...

Certainly cool to simply explore. It's nice to benefit from somebody else's curiosity.

Anybody got easy to understand diagrams of this ?

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3. Longevity. When you disassemble a bedded rifle, the edges of the bedding can chip and loosen up. When you have metal bedding surfaces, this is less likely to happen.
Oh, I see that I could have avoided thinking about it and just gotten to #3....


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Oh, and there is one more reason to try them: I did extensive consumer research with 18-25 year old women who had large breasts, and virtually all of them indicated they thought that men with pillar bedded systems in their rifle were MUCH more attractive. So I'm putting them in no matter what any of you all think.
Well, there you go! Settled.

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