M14 Forum

Ionian · May 14th, 2009, 06:03 AM

How many of you Combat Engineers or Grunts train with and use One? I loved going to the range with the 90mm. We would set the scope using 7.62mm tracers and surprisingly that thing was scary accurate with rifle ammo. I must be sick, I even miss Graf once in a while. Not too often though.

9th · May 14th, 2009, 06:19 AM

Never messed with that one.

You sure must be sick to miss Graf!!

I'm sure it's still there bro!!

orion5457 · May 14th, 2009, 01:47 PM

The 90 mm always went to the FNG...After the first gulf war we only had 4 man squads so we all got to train with it...I liked watching the newb's try and run with the thing they would always go down with it...

I was in the 54th Eng BN at Wildflecken so Graf was never that bad...

Ionian · May 14th, 2009, 03:01 PM

I never knew they kept it past the 80's. That's interesting.

Wildflecken, yeah I've been there a few times too many also.

9th · May 14th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Here's a catchy tune...

Maybe you've heard it...

I left my small toe in Wildflecken??

orion5457 · May 14th, 2009, 03:35 PM

Well the best part of being there is we did not have to go to the field for our weapon qualifications...

I am trying to remember but I dont think we took the 90mm with us to the gulf...I know we had the AT-4 for the gulf, it came in crate of 5...

Madbomber Mike · May 14th, 2009, 08:40 PM

that damn hunk of junk!
Know what the M67 was VERY good at?
We lost the stovepipe for our Yukon stove in Saudi in '90...so...we used the 90 since we had no ammo for it! Worked awesome and held the heat wonderfully!!!

It was however a MASSIVE PiTA to clean before we wen't back to Germany!

Ionian · May 15th, 2009, 07:28 AM

I know there are much better anti armor systems out there, but I have seen what an AP round out of a 90 does and it's one hell of a shotgun!

I don't know why, but we got to fire it quite often. Maybe they had a bunch of old rounds they were trying to get rid of.

I did eventually graduate from a 35lb. 90 mm. to a 23lb. M-60

Madbomber Mike · May 17th, 2009, 07:56 AM

you know, I used to love the flechette load for those, but the gun was just too unwieldy.
They just started general issue of the 40mm M1001 Cannister round for both M203 and Mk19 GrenadeLaunchers (although it hurts like hell out of a 203 since it's got a heavy load to cycle the Mk19) http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ons/40-can.htm
that being said.....
If you still feel this terrible need to carry a length of pipe around in the woods, the M3 Carl Gustav 84mm RR might be the right choice since they are in the inventory now http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nd/m3-maws.htm , and the Swedish ammo doesn't have the abysmal failure rate that the 90mm family had. Can't tell you how many incidents I responded to for these rounds, they have about a 40% failure rate....really hate it when the engineer unit that shot them, police them up and bring them to the EOD shop! "Hey sarge...is this the bomb squad? My squad leader told me to bring these to you!"

sighhhh.......

M1A's r BEST · May 17th, 2009, 10:08 AM

We shot them in AIT with the 7.62 barrel device in them. Load a tracer round, swing the breech shut, turn the handle, smack the gunner on the helmet and watch the tracer go down range and hit the old jeep, truck, APC or whatever the target was.

Kind of neat I thought at the time.

Bill Ricca · May 17th, 2009, 07:35 PM

The sub caliber device is quite scarce.

4570govt · May 28th, 2009, 06:39 AM

When I was assigned to the 1/75th, our Weapons Platoon had 90's....this was in 1980-1982...when assigned to the 4/9th, and then later the 6/327th in Alaska, each Platoon had two 90's assigned to it in the Weapons squad. I was a Weapons Squad leader...this was 1982-1985. It was believed, that we could kill Soviet T-72's with them. The reason we used them was because it got too cold to use Dragons in the winter...the thermal sight would freeze up, and also when in the 1/75th the Dragon could not be used in jungle type environments, because of the wire guidance system.

4570govt · May 28th, 2009, 06:40 AM

I remember using the sub cal device as well, usually fired a tracer in it to verify zero, but used ball as well at paper targets.

Dreampiper · June 6th, 2009, 10:21 PM

I never got to shoot one, but they did make us drag them to the Gulf in 90 even though we had no ammo for it. We were issued the AT-4's. The AT-4 is a real PITA to fire accurately when the rear sight breaks off... It has one hell of a bark too. I heard on a mil channel show about the AT-4 there is a lifetime maximum number of times a person should fire one, any one else heard this or what that number might be?

Mickey Miller · January 30th, 2010, 06:07 PM

I was a platoon leader in the 1/5th Mech, 25th Div 67-68. I had a 106mm RR mounted on the right rear corner of 16, my track.

Once engaged a 3 wheel Lambretta that was fleeing the area using the .50 caliber 106 semi auto spotting rifle with it's WP rounds. Never hit him but came darn close!

Lost the 106mm when we ran the guns tube into a teak tree near Tri Be/Cambodian border...put quite a bend in it!

One of those sub caliber .50 semi auto spotting rifles would be neat to have today.