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CAVman · February 21st, 2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 54321

KK most likely did spend some time in nam, Air America.

You obviously have him confused with Mel Gibson!

CAVman in WYoming

LemmyCaution · February 21st, 2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CAVman

I was going to post earlier on your previous comment, but decided I might be reading too much into it...
But here you are specifically stating that KK was in VIETNAM...
I could be wrong, but I do not think so...
I absolutely am not intending to 'trash' KK in any way here, but I was going to say previously that...Because KK was an Army Helicopter, it is often assumed and stated that He served in VN...
Check your earlier comment and hopefully see what I am saying here...
I have never read anything to indicate KK actually served in VN, He has in fact stated that He attempted to Volunteer for VN, but the Army Denied His Request!

CAVman in WYoming

There's some obscure talk that he served as part of MACV early in Vietnam, but his official deployment was to W. Germany.

He resigned his commission after getting rejected for deployment to Vietnam. The powers that be wanted him to teach English Lit at West Point, instead.

sac troop · February 21st, 2012, 10:07 AM

The KK rumors and legends raise their heads again. It's was certainly frequently implied that he served in the RVN back when his music career was getting started.

I can find nothing in his personal biographies stating that he served in Vietnam.

I’ve been told that the video in the OP’s original post is from 2002. Also I see nothing in the original post that is in dispute.

Pro_USA1776 · February 21st, 2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LemmyCaution

John Kerry is also a fine American who served his country with honor.

But I don't want either him, or Kristofferson, to be president of it.

Not because I think they're bad people, but because I think they'd make lousy presidents.

John Kerry served with honor? I have served over 20 yrs (and continue to serve) in the US Military and he strikes me as the careerist who will do whatever is required of him. Not because he felt a duty/honor to accomplish a given mission, but he calculated what was in it for him and his future career!

CAVman · February 21st, 2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sac troop

The KK rumors and legends raise their heads again. It's was certainly frequently implied that he served in the RVN back when his music career was getting started.

I can find nothing in his personal biographies stating that he served in Vietnam.

I’ve been told that the video in the OP’s original post is from 2002. Also I see nothing in the original post that is in dispute.

He sure doesn't say he was in VN...

http://www.rosajordan.com/kris.html

CAVman in WYoming

Silverton4 · February 21st, 2012, 12:51 PM

[QUOTE=LemmyCaution;807442][QUOTE=Silverton4;807363]I still see it as a jump to a conclusion. You concluded that I am a slanderer who is suspicious of anyone who is educated. That's a huge stretch in itself.

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Insinuating that he's a liberal gun grabber (and the gun grabber part is still completely unsubstantiated, by the way) because of his time at Oxford/Rhodes scholarship is pretty much an insinuation that it was his exposure to education that made him that way. The fact that you can't substantiate it with any documented fact makes it the dictionary definition of slander. But maybe there's some sense in which you didn't say what you said. Clear it up for me.

I'm not 'defending him for being in the army until the war came along.' I don't need to, as your allegation that he left to avoid a deployment isn't borne out by the facts. I'm defending him because, even if he needed to 'earn' the right to his opinion (which he doesn't), he would have by his service and his accomplishments.

If you have evidence that he's a gun grabber, please present it. If you have evidence that he left the army to avoid a deployment, please present it. Hearsay doesn't cut it, and is what we generally define as slander.

You don't have to like the guy. You could just keep your fingers off the keyboard, if you don't have anything factual to add, however.

You can also keep your fingers off the keyboard if you can't avoid making everything a personal slur. I guess you just aren't used to some FNG having an opinion and failing to be overawed by your writing style. You're a funny guy, pal. Tell me another joke.

Silverton4 · February 21st, 2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 54321

Silverton4, I could take some of the heat by brining up the possibility that KK is a CIA/Illuminati slave handler/programmer and his Leftist profile is just a facade.

Never trust a Rhodes scholar, not for their knowledge but for allegiances

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Ahaha... aw, man, why didn't I think of that? Yeah that would be great, a triple cross. He fakes us out with the military service, then when we go for the fake, he pops up writing songs to Jesse Jackson, and all the while he's.... wait, I'm getting a headache from this. ;-)

Wait, maybe the slave he's handling is Willie Nelson....

LemmyCaution · February 21st, 2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Silverton4

You can also keep your fingers off the keyboard if you can't avoid making everything a personal slur.

If telling you you're wrong and pointing out exactly why is a slur, then I'm guilty as charged. But you haven't made a particularly convincing defense of your lack of slander, nor have you substantiated it.

Where are your facts?

IC2(SS)19Z50C5 · February 22nd, 2012, 12:10 AM

I talked to my old rifle team Pard Mac, the retired CW4 yesterday AM... He set me straight on CAPT K's service location... More to follow, heading to bed now...0010 PST at my home 20...

IC2(SS)19Z50C5 · February 22nd, 2012, 08:48 AM

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WOW, has this gotten interesting, WHEEEW!!!, What a Hoot...

It would appear that some of the veiled contempt that my old rifle team Pard I mentioned earlier, the CW4(Ret.) who knew CPT Kristofferson in Viet Nam bears some merit… As to J. Kerry, yeah he's a fellow Navy Vet, who as Rush Limbaugh always says “served in Viet Nam”….

Well I know very well, a certain retired Navy Officer who commanded several Navy fighting ships who just happened to be in Navy OCS in the class ahead of John Kerry’s OCS class. And his words to me were, “John Kerry was a pompous jerk-o#$ back then too. Additionally my second LEAHY skipper happened to be Kerry’s CO in Viet Nam, And he was a big supporter and mover and shaker in the successful “Swift Boat” movement.

So there you have it.... I could add one more line about DEM/Lib Service members too. In this case a retired Army Field Grade, Silver Star recipient, and awarded two purple hearts, during his time as an advisor to a south Vietnamese Ranger Battalion, but still a DEM/Lib schemer and knaver... And his actions finally caught up to him…

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Originally Posted by CAVman

I was going to post earlier on your previous comment, but decided I might be reading too much into it...
But here you are specifically stating that KK was in VIETNAM...
I could be wrong, but I do not think so...
I absolutely am not intending to 'trash' KK in any way here, but I was going to say previously that...Because KK was an Army Helicopter, it is often assumed and stated that He served in VN...
Check your earlier comment and hopefully see what I am saying here...
I have never read anything to indicate KK actually served in VN, He has in fact stated that He attempted to Volunteer for VN, but the Army Denied His Request!

CAVman in WYoming

Attention All, I want to apologize for giving out bad Intel/Information as to CPT K’s supposed service in Viet Nam…. After reading some of the postings here, it started to bug me. So I called my old Pard Mac yesterday morning. We had not talked in about a year plus, so it was a good catch up phone call.

Anyway, per the conversation yesterday with my old rifle team Pard and now CW4 Army Aviator (Ret.) here’s the clarification of CPT K’s service in Army Aviation.
He told me no, CPT K. did not serve in Viet Nam like John Kerry, but served in the FRG. Mac’s disdain was not personally directed to CPT K. in particular, but to CPT’s in Army Aviation in general. He said, “I have NO F*&KIN’ TIME FOR CAPTAINS!!!, if they wanted to be a real aviator they should have become a warrant!!.. CAPTAINS HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING MORE THAN SUMMER HELP!!”.. And that there is the end of the story.

CAVman · February 22nd, 2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IC2(SS)19Z50C5

Attention All, I want to apologize for giving out bad Intel/Information as to CPT K’s supposed service in Viet Nam…. After reading some of the postings here, it started to bug me. So I called my old Pard Mac yesterday morning. We had not talked in about a year plus, so it was a good catch up phone call.

Anyway, per the conversation yesterday with my old rifle team Pard and now CW4 Army Aviator (Ret.) here’s the clarification of CPT K’s service in Army Aviation.
He told me no, CPT K. did not serve in Viet Nam like John Kerry, but served in the FRG. Mac’s disdain was not personally direct to CPT K. in particular, but to CPT’s in Army Aviation in general. He said, “I have NO F*&KIN’ TIME FOR CAPTAINS!!!, if they wanted to be a real aviator they should have become a warrant!!.. CAPTAINS HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING MORE THAN SUMMER HELP!!”.. And that there is the end of the story.

Thanks for the clarification !!!

CAVman in WYoming

GARRARD · February 22nd, 2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IC2(SS)19Z50C5

“I have NO F*&KIN’ TIME FOR CAPTAINS!!!, if they wanted to be a real aviator they should have become a warrant!!.. CAPTAINS HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING MORE THAN SUMMER HELP!!”.. And that there is the end of the story.

It's amazing how that same thing can still be heard at any aviation company.