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Old February 3rd, 2012, 01:59 PM   #1
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Sniper School

I got selected to attend sniper school . Its going to start in april. I can't wait to go and as soon as I get the packing list Im going to start on my ghillie suit. Probably go with a multicam base and go from there. I will need to refresh myself on the MIL range estimation formulas and practice some of that. Should be a good time though. Just got to finish my psych eval to complete the packet.

Does anyone who has made a ghillie have any advice? Im planning on cutting up one of my old duffel bags and using that to reinforce the knees, elbows and chest. The only thing Im not sure on is making the hood. Mostly whether or not I should use a boonie cap or an actual loose fitting hood of maybe some type of netting or mesh.

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I got selected to attend sniper school . Its going to start in april. I can't wait to go and as soon as I get the packing list Im going to start on my ghillie suit. Probably go with a multicam base and go from there. I will need to refresh myself on the MIL range estimation formulas and practice some of that. Should be a good time though. Just got to finish my psych eval to complete the packet.

Does anyone who has made a ghillie have any advice? Im planning on cutting up one of my old duffel bags and using that to reinforce the knees, elbows and chest. The only thing Im not sure on is making the hood. Mostly whether or not I should use a boonie cap or an actual loose fitting hood of maybe some type of netting or mesh.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:30 PM   #3
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Boonie cap gives you more flexability for every changing ops, says the FBI for LEO's. Military is much different though. I have heard they have changed the school alot? Alot more range time then stalking and fieldsmanship. Any ciriculum yet?

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:32 PM   #4
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:33 PM   #5
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The sniper field manual has some good tips about putting a ghillie suit together. I don't know if you can still download it from USAPA or not but if you want it, I can email it to you.

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:37 PM   #6
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I got selected to attend sniper school . Its going to start in april. I can't wait to go and as soon as I get the packing list Im going to start on my ghillie suit. Probably go with a multicam base and go from there. I will need to refresh myself on the MIL range estimation formulas and practice some of that. Should be a good time though. Just got to finish my psych eval to complete the packet.

Does anyone who has made a ghillie have any advice? Im planning on cutting up one of my old duffel bags and using that to reinforce the knees, elbows and chest. The only thing Im not sure on is making the hood. Mostly whether or not I should use a boonie cap or an actual loose fitting hood of maybe some type of netting or mesh.
Yeah- start making that sucker now or youll be up doing it all night while youre at school. When i went through in 06' it was balls to the wall non stop from 0400 PT to usually around 2200 or 2300. Classes, range. Smoke sessions. Ive heard they really toned it down though. I used an old set of BDUs. Then, i cut up some sleeping mat peices and sewed them into the elbows and knees of the suit. I used canvas for the entire front of the suit, double stitched (takes a LOT of time) and shoe gooed the seams. For the back, its 1x1 inch netting. You need to alternate your jute (strips of burlap) and your empty squares 1 for 1. you then need to attach 550 cord onto the empty squares. This will allow you to practice the 50 50 principle of 50 percent jute/artificial camo and 50 percet natural vegitation (which during stalks, you may be switching out on a regular basis). Make sure you burn the ends of that 550 cord. Make each peice about 3-4 inches long so you can easily tie stuff to it. Dont over do the jute, if you look like a stupid wookie, youre wrong. Make sure your shoulders and arms are covered as well. youre going to sweat like hell in that thing. Leave room for a camelbak. Also, sew a couple of utility pockets on near your wrists and maybe one in your lowerback underneith your netting. Oh yeah, get some fire retardant and spray that damn thing down good.

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-Range Estimation
-Target Detection (work on your obversation techniques)
-Get in shape. Youll have to take a PT test the 1st or 2nd day and schoolhouse PT was no slouch when i was there. Theres some BIG hills out the back of the school house... you will be running and buddy carrying up those. A lot.
-Stalking washes a lot of people out. Better get smart.
-Fundamentals of marksmanship
-Hope you have a good short-term memory because KIMS games are going to whoop your butt.
-There are elements of recon operations in this school that you will be learning about.
-Learning to cut for sign and track people
-Basic pistol

The mil formula we teach in the army (and im sure they still put out at school) is Height of target in Inches x 25.4/Mils high. Also applicable for width. You will be expected to use this formula through you M3A to estimate range on Etype sillouettes and other targets at ranges of up to and beyond 1000M. The test is eyes, bino and optic. More error for eyes and bino. 5 or 10% only for optic.

Buy and study FM 23-10. That is your new 7-8. Read it, love it, know it, memorize it, live it. Piasters got good book out called Ultimate Sniper that worth reading as well- but KISS- keep it basic. Much of what is taught comes right out of 23-10.

There are at least 1-3 written tests a week that you HAVE to pass. Ive seen guys fail out of the academic portion of school.


Bring lots of note paper. I still have all my notes from class and I could fill a box with them. That course should really be at least 8-10 weeks long instead of 5. There is enough information jammed into that course to fill 12 weeks easy.

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*** OH YEAH- if you built your ghillie suit like crap, its going to fall apart in the ghillie wash.......

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:06 PM   #7
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Thank you for all the info guys.

Colder, I havent been given any curriculum yet but hopefully Ill get a better idea soon. At least more than google can give me.

Thank you for the informative post Whatsinaname, I was hoping you would reply. I should be able to get some multicam this weekend and Im going to start on it soon. Do you know of a good source to get some netting or good burlap?

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:20 PM   #8
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Dont mind the date on my broken camera. Not sure on sources. I raided the supply room for mine. You may be able to find shelter halves at an army surplus. Thats all the front of that bad boy is. The netting is actually from those large plastic cammo nets. I had to pull each metal bracket by hand. I also pulled my burlap by hand. Each peice individually... from sandbags. Its all I had.

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Good luck! I've heard it is a great school.

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 07:23 PM   #10
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Do you know of a good source to get some netting or good burlap?
Find a local Feed Store; they sell real burlap bags, or at least did back in the day, and cheap.

And congrats, and good luck! We need more trained snipers in the Army.

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 08:11 PM   #11
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Thanks brother. I was thinking just some burlap sacks but I wasnt sure of the best way to color them.

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I bought some of my jute from ghilliesuits.com. Avoid any dark colors like dark green or black. You can easily darken your suit with natural vegetation but its extremely hard to lighten it. Also, avoid synthetic ghillie material. After about a week of stalking it becomes a near useless rats nest.

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Old February 6th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #14
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Thank you for the pics. Im starting on mine soon with a multicam base. I appreciate all the help so far

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Old February 6th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #15
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a psych eval? Not to knock Sniper School but what for? to make sure you feel bad about killing or something for the new more sensitive army? Is it something PC or ridiculous, explain this to me?

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