Double cannelure bullets. - M14 Forum

M14 Forum

Double cannelure bullets.

This is a discussion on Double cannelure bullets. within the Ammunition forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; A while back I got some bags of various pulled bullets from a friend who was leaving to go to Japan. They are all .308 ...

Go Back   M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > Ammunition

  • 1 Post By bfoosh006
LinkBack Moderator Tools Display Modes

Old June 6th, 2011, 11:07 AM   #1
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 2,604
Double cannelure bullets.

A while back I got some bags of various pulled bullets from a friend who was leaving to go to Japan. They are all .308 and mixed. About 105 that I sorted are slightly longer than M80 ball, and have a double cannelure with the marks angled. I weighed a few and they average about 152 gr or so. I have no Idea what they are. Any ideas?

Swamp Rat is offline  
Remove Ads
Old June 6th, 2011, 11:33 AM   #2
M14 Forum Admin
XXIV Corps's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northeastern Oklahoma
Posts: 13,349

Awards Showcase


No idea, that's a new one to think about.

XXIV Corps is offline  
Old June 6th, 2011, 04:54 PM   #3
Automatic Rifleman
bcrich's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ontario, California
Posts: 131
I have some that are steel core with that double cannelure you speak of...they are not black tip either!

bcrich is offline  
Old June 8th, 2011, 02:12 PM   #4
tnw50cal's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: ohio
Posts: 2,180

Awards Showcase

I'm going with AP--got a bunch from different places over the years--all were tumbled removing the black paint on the tip. Hold one with needle nose pliers,heat with a torch(or gas burner on stove) til lead seal at base melts, then put bullet on hard surface and hit with hammer. The copper jacket will split open exposing the steel penetrater. It alot easier than using a dremel tool.

tnw50cal is offline  
Old June 9th, 2011, 07:40 AM   #5
Designated Marksman
win308's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Parkersburg, WV
Posts: 689
Doesen't the double knurl just mean different seating depth, depending on the cartridge you are using the tips to reload? for proper length for 7.62 nato and one for .30-06.

win308 is offline  
Old June 9th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #6
davecampperry's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: OKLAHOMA
Posts: 2,434
U.S. bullets with double cannelure mean 'not Ball' i.e. Tracer or AP. Foreign bullets with DC can mean anything. Try a magnet before using heat, compare the magnetic pull with known bullets. Or just send them to me...grin.

davecampperry is offline  
Old June 9th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #7
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 2,604
If I were to load these, which cannelure would I load them for .308 and .30-06?

Swamp Rat is offline  
Old June 9th, 2011, 07:05 PM   #8
Snappin In
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 35
They are for loading in either 30-06 or have to check for overall length of the rounds as to which application is for which round.
Certain MG like the 1919A4 are rather critical about overall lengths so that they feed right


alcova is offline  
Old June 9th, 2011, 07:43 PM   #9
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,055
How big is the steel core?

Didn't M59 ammo have mild steel as part of the core?

If I remember correctly there was some lead in the nose, then the steel, then more lead behind the steel.

It was considered ball ammo, not AP.

NE450N02 is offline  
Old June 10th, 2011, 01:05 AM   #10
GardenValley's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,887

Awards Showcase

M59 Ball was an attempt to develop a Ball cartridge that used a minimum of lead, lead being a scarce commodity in time of war. When they decided lead would not be a current problem the M80 bullet was developed, keeping the M59 as an alternative should the need ever arise. There is an orange color tracer bullet with a double cannelure that was developed for loading in either .30 cal or 7.62. The double cannelure 7.62 AP bullet was designed for 7.62 and was not intended for .30 cal. The 7.62 AP bullet seats in the case on the lower cannelure with the upper cannelure exposed. .30 cal AP has a single solid cannelure. 7.62 AP is not as effective as .30 cal AP.

GardenValley is online now  
Old June 10th, 2011, 05:37 AM   #11
Platoon Commander
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 420
The magnet may not tell you the truth. There is lots of M80 Ball with steel jackets and lead core.

- Ivan.

Ivan1GFP is offline  
Old June 10th, 2011, 06:16 AM   #12
brycom1's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: CO
Posts: 2,030
you need to take a projo and cut it open with side cutters or something like that. If its lead core you should cut through it. If its steel then you can not cut through it.

I have some AP rounds that are double cannelured

brycom1 is offline  
Old June 11th, 2011, 08:41 AM   #13
Old Salt
bfoosh006's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NW
Posts: 1,313
As luck would have it, I just cut open one of these. While the jacket and lead would easily cut , the steel showed no signs of any cutting marks.....( hacksaw , length wise, and a vice )Yes, they are AP , mine was a copper jacketed, ( with the angled double cannalure marks ) smallish piece of lead at the base ,with a very pointed piece of hardened steel in the front 3/5s + of the bullets core. They also weighed 152gr. If memory serves me right, they are 7.62x51 AP bullets, and while good..... the .30-06 165gr ones are "better"

Thanks from Swamp Rat
bfoosh006 is offline  
Old June 11th, 2011, 12:43 PM   #14
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 2,604
I used to work security at MCAS Miramar a few years ago and we also had to do runs out to the old Camp Elliot area. The AP cores could be found all over the place in and behind the berm of the old rifle range there and even though they were rusted and decades old I could drive these through cement with a hammer. Those are some tough penetrators.

Swamp Rat is offline  

  M14 Forum > M14 M1A Forum > Ammunition

Search tags for this page

.30 cal ap 152 gr

.30 cal double cannilure bullet
308 doubble cannalure tracers
double cannellure bullets

double cannelure


double cannelure bullet


double cannelure bullets

double cannelured 50 cal ammo

double cannelures

exposed bullet cannula on .308
reloading bullets with cannelure exposed
what is the canular on a bullet
Click on a term to search for related topics.

Moderator Tools
Display Modes

Similar M14 Forum Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
any 444 Marlin shooters out there? Earthquake Lever Action 16 July 12th, 2013 02:15 PM
.45 / 70 Marlin or Winchester close support Scout rifle ? 24kshooter Lever Action 20 December 21st, 2011 01:15 PM
bullets without a cannula(canular) (cannelure) Hbarh Ammunition 11 July 13th, 2010 02:33 PM
Bullets and Brass haroldchrismeyer PX 1 June 24th, 2009 07:51 PM
M2 ball ammo question Numanoid Steel and Wood 37 May 18th, 2008 08:52 PM

Top Gun Sites Top Sites List