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Old May 15th, 2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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MEN Ammo

Much has been written about the 93 DAG and tarnish/corrosion problems. I see that there is 92 and 94 MEN available. Any word on problems with either of these years? Looking to buy 1000 and put away without opening the battlepacks.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 05:37 AM   #2
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Hey there from another Atlanta, GA member. Well.....Lilburn, GA anyway. I'm pretty sure the DAG and MEN were packaged the same. German ammo production from the same exact time period. I would imagine Germans did everything the same way.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:05 AM   #3
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I purchased 5K of '94 MEN...most of it was corroded. Had a battlepack of '94 DAG, perfect shape. Guess it's hit or miss but there seems to be some correlation with mildewed battlepacks.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:10 AM   #4
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With the problems everyone is finding with the DAG and MEN packs lately, I would probably stick with RG or new production Prvi. The RG I've been getting is a 750rd case with 10 75rd bandoleers on strippers. Doesn't get a whole lot better than that.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:39 AM   #5
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I recently ordered 400 rounds of DAG with a 94 head stamp and about 1/3 of it had corrosion on the brass. Of that 1/3 about half had significant corrosion. I am not suure what the difference between DAG and MEN is but, It took me a couple of hours to clean (with steel wool) and examine each round. I donít think the corrosion will make the ammo unsafe, but it was a pain to clean and inspect. I will not buy any more DAG; at least as long as there is other 7.62 available.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 07:53 AM   #6
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after buying some cheap surplus i have decided it is safer to buy new mfg Prvi .308 from places and stick that away for long term storage.

Speaking of which i think its time to do a check and see if any more of my DAG is rotten away.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 07:57 AM   #7
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Much has been written about the 93 DAG and tarnish/corrosion problems. I see that there is 92 and 94 MEN available. Any word on problems with either of these years? Looking to buy 1000 and put away without opening the battlepacks.




Bad idea!!! If you are going to buy surplus ammo that is questionable from the start, it's imperative that you open it when you receive it. That way you have a choice to send it back to the seller, or start cleaning it up for use. I'll go out on a limb and state that after cleaning, storing loose in a sealed ammo box w/dessicant pack, is much more preferable than leaving the ammo in the battlepacks. All they will do is corrode much further. It seems the problem with the Dag/Men is that the cardboard boxes in the BP are causing the corrosion. The sooner you separate the boxes from the ammo, the better off you will be. If you are really sold on keeping the ammo in sealed BPs, buy some of the newer production stuff at a little more cost. If I bought a case, I'd still open one BP to shoot/zero/ inspect the goods, and store the other for SHTF. Just my 0.02 cents worth. dozier

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Old May 16th, 2011, 10:02 AM   #8
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Looking to buy 1000 and put away without opening the battlepacks.
For long term storage, I would check anything I got, and then reseal as best I could, unless you were getting Winchester or Federal product. The DAG and MEN I have seen have had varying amounts of corrosion that needed to be removed to halt it (even the worst in the packs fired just fine). I have never really heard of any problems with the Hirtenburger, Radway or S. African, but if I was setting it back for the long term I would at least open and inspect every round in a couple of boxes, if not the whole lot. If you want it resealed, get some heavy mil plastic bags and vac it shut.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 12:59 PM   #9
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Yup, check the other thread about storing these battlepacks.

I have some 94 MEN and it's affected by this issue.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #10
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Buy strippers and repack it all into USGI ammo cans with dessicant. Easy as pie. And I like pie.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #11
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I bought Dag ammo off cheaperthandirt...but got MEN from 94'...over 150 rds. out of 200 corroded....that was alot of steel wooling, some had alot, but all shootable an accurate....I next bought from SG Ammo...they advertised buying either tarnished or "Clean" ammo...I went with clean...got 92' MEN...first battlepack had 30 out of 200 that needed cleaning, not as bad as the cheaperthan dirt stuff though...the next battlepack only had 16 out of 200 an not bad at all...put them in 50 Cal. cans...DAG an MEN are together...DAG is one Factory...MEN is another factory. I'll probably order from SG Ammo again...at least it wasn't bad an seems very accurate...I won't ever leave anything in those battlepacks.

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Old May 16th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #12
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i got a single case of DAG from ammoman, now when i got it was clean as hell. Now after sitting for almost 2 summers in the basement in ammo cans it has roughly 80 rounds that need to be steel wooled, but good news is that was out of 1,000 rounds.


Now that AIM doesn't have any DAG i might go back to PPU surplus, as it was always clean and good, IMO if your storing it for Armageddon or dooms day you need ammo that was made 2 years ago, and is good and can hit a man sized target at 300 yards, this stuff will do it.

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Even the Prvi I buy comes out of the BP... I store it in a .50 ammo can with dessicant... 480rds per can.


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Old May 16th, 2011, 07:29 PM   #14
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I have had both DAG and MEN... about the same. Two or three rounds from each box have a black streak down the brass, no big deal. I was shooting it as is for a while. Even when leaving the small amount of stuff on the brass the round has plenty of clearance in the chamber and have had no trouble shooting.

But since all this discussion came up I have decided to unpack all my packs and polish the ammo while watching tv. Need more ammo cans.

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But since all this discussion came up I have decided to unpack all my packs and polish the ammo while watching tv. Need more ammo cans.
Ditto... but Surplus has been out for over a month now.

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