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Old January 14th, 2011, 11:13 AM   #1
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Tell me about M118LR Lake City

Ok, so I am looking to get some high quality ammo and all roads lead to M118LR Lake City ammo.
can someone educate me on this?

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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #2
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It's just the best military long range (600 + yards) ammunition. It's not hand-loads or commercial, just good old government issued ammunition. The best mix of bullet weight and type, to powder weight and burn rate for long range shooting in 7.62x51mm.


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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #3
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So its worth $130 per 100 rounds?

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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:33 PM   #4
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I have the military spec sheets from April 1994 for the M118




P.S. You can always buy components and we can work on reloading some for you at the range. We can use that small room at the end of the firing line and I can bring my reloading gear and show ya' the ropes and build rounds right there. If you like the results we could work out some way to provide you with some ammo as you need it.

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So its worth $130 per 100 rounds?
I have seen the price as high as $2.50 per round (M118LR) at Gun Shows in the West. I don't think it's worth that much, but people were buying it for that.

Armorment Precision Shooting Supply http://usarmorment.com/
.................Lake City ..............2009 .................20/Bx .....................174.950 175 gr. M118LR

At $1.30 a round is cheap, if your not rolling your own!

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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #6
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Basically, it is Lake City brass with canister grade 4895 or 4064 powder topped off with a 175 grain Sierra BTHP. While it is very good ammo, it is my opinion that if you reload you can duplicate or exceed the accuracy potential of this ammunition.

It depends upon your component cost versus the cost of the individual round ($1.30) being offered. I can reload that round for less than half of the offered price so, for me it would not be a good decision to purchase the ammo.

175 gr. BTHP - .30 (could be higher depending on source)
Powder per rd- .15
210M Fed. Pr.- .03
L.C. Match Br.- .00 (once fired)
total: .48

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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:25 PM   #7
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+1 on TN BPs post.

The M118 LR 175gr SBHP is what we use for our M14s and our M24 SWS and others.

They used to issue the M118 SB- that was 173 gr. In my entire TIS ive never even seen SB.

Let me just say this- the LR stuff is the best round for 7.62, in my opinion. Through our M24s we were blasting E type iron maidens at 1200 meters almost every time (when the wind didnt blow us 2 mils off target with a light gust, haha)

Very accurate, and hard-hitting. We even linked some up for the 240B machine gun to play around with, hitting E types at 600+ with single shots.

Shot a deer in the neck with one this year from my M14 at 200 meters. Dead all day.

Save your brass.

EDIT*- Oh yeah, and BTW- ive seen some commercial retailers offering "M118LR" before, but most of them are selling them in odd-lots. Youll buy a 20 round box of them, but the headstamps are from different years etc.

I can tell you that just like any other ammunition, there are variations from lot to lot with M118LR. Ive seen as much as a 1-2 MOA POI change from different lots. Thats why we meticulously record our data. If they are mixed lots youre buying, dont be surprised if your mean group size is over 2 MOA.


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I do have several hundred LC Match cases but am wondering if there would be any major differences if I were to use commercial brass such as Winchester. I can buy as much of that as I want anytime I want.

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XM118 - 500rd Bulk Pack

175gr HP Long Range Round
Headstamped Lake City LR




$509.00 per 500rd Bulk Pack


Read More / Ord Palmetto State Armory better price but not cheap

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Here is a Link to the above post
In Bulk it is A lot cheaper and they have it in stock
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/239.php
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/308-762-ammo.php
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Old January 15th, 2011, 07:13 AM   #11
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I do have several hundred LC Match cases but am wondering if there would be any major differences if I were to use commercial brass such as Winchester. I can buy as much of that as I want anytime I want.
There should be no difference when using Winchester brass. The difference between L.C. brass and commercial brass, based on my experience, is that the commercial cases are "lighter" and provide more "volume" for loads. L.C. brass is thicker, based on my experience.

I have one match rifle in which I am not able to use L.C. brass due to chamber dementions. Therefore, I use Winchester brass exclusively at 200 and 300 yards. I use either Winchester or Lapua brass at 600.

Using Winchester brass with the 175 gr Sierra BTHP, with an appropriate load of your favorite powder, should produce excellent results. Most high power shooters consider Winchester brass to be extremely consistent in weight and therefore, an excellent choice for match loads.

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Would case life be about the same between Winchester and LC brass when fired out of an M1A? I have read that LC is heavier and harder than most commercial brass.

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XM118 - 500rd Bulk Pack

175gr HP Long Range Round
Headstamped Lake City LR




$509.00 per 500rd Bulk Pack


Read More / Ord Palmetto State Armory better price but not cheap
There's a reason it's a lot cheaper, it's XM 118, not M118. It's rejects, which may not be that big a deal, but it's odd lot numbers, etc.

I've thought about picking some up and seeing exactly how much difference it made to accuracy. But I wouldn't ever be able to trust that next round was a match to the previous.

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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #14
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Whatever.......

I'd buy it, shoot it and have some of the best brass around! Are you buying it to shoot and see how it does in your particular rifle? If so, great! But you still have the some of the best brass around for reloading if you reload. My 2 cents!

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