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Old January 24th, 2010, 05:03 PM   #1
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Question Hirtenberger 7.62x51 Ammo

I just came across 1K of this ammo. It comes in 20 round tan cardboard boxes, ten boxes to an od colored sleeve or "battle pack". The boxes have a glued on paper label which is printed as below -

HP in circle logo
20 Cartridges
cal. 7,62mm x 51
BALL
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HIRTENBERGER PATRONENFABRIK
A- 2552 HIRTENBERG, AUSTRIA

The cases are brass and are Boxer primed.

The headstamp consists of two stars, one at 9 o'clock the other at 3 o'clock, with 79 stamped at 12 o'clock and 7.62x51 at the 6 o'clock position. Primers appear to be staked at three positions and sealed with a green colored substance.


I'd like to know if this ammo uses corrosive or non-corrosive primers and is the bullet a typical 146-150 grain military ball style projectile? Also, does this ammo have a good reputation as far as accuracy and does it shoot clean? I haven't fired it, and won't if it has corrosive primers. If that's the case I'll probably stash it and only use it in a SHTF situation, not that I'm paranoid or anything like that

Can anyone out there help me?

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Old January 24th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #2
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This is some of the best surplus I've used. The '79 should be boxer primed and non-corrosive too.......you can send it to me though and I'll dispose of it properly.

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Old January 24th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #3
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None of the Hirt is Corrosive, however I have some of the Boxer Primed Stuff that runs Pretty HOT, the Berdan is real Good, if You get the Chance shoot me a Picture of the Headstamp or describe it and I'll tell You for sure, Hirt comes with three different Headstamps that I know of!

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Old January 25th, 2010, 05:34 AM   #4
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That stuff is hotter than a Saturday night special.

I picked up about 800 rnds of this stuff last summer, headstamp is 80. Boxer primed, I think I paid about .35 a round . .

It was hotter than H e double L. It was pounding the crap outta M1A and the SOCOM, very violent cycling, and noticably more recoil in the Rem 700.

After about 10 rounds through the SOCOM my shoulder was sore, and I can put 200 rnds through the Garand with little discomort. Plus the accuracy was 5moa though the NM.

I pulled down all 800 rnds, they averaged about 45gr of powder. I worked up a load using the pulled down powder components and settled on 40gr. . . . loaded them all back up and had powder left over to load up a bunch of ammo for my Rem 700 in .308.

Shoots 1.5 - 2 moa in the NM and shoots good in the SOCOM.

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That stuff is hotter than a Saturday night special.

I picked up about 800 rnds of this stuff last summer, headstamp is 80. Boxer primed, I think I paid about .35 a round . .

It was hotter than H e double L. It was pounding the crap outta M1A and the SOCOM, very violent cycling, and noticably more recoil in the Rem 700.

After about 10 rounds through the SOCOM my shoulder was sore, and I can put 200 rnds through the Garand with little discomort. Plus the accuracy was 5moa though the NM.

I pulled down all 800 rnds, they averaged about 45gr of powder. I worked up a load using the pulled down powder components and settled on 40gr. . . . loaded them all back up and had powder left over to load up a bunch of ammo for my Rem 700 in .308.

Shoots 1.5 - 2 moa in the NM and shoots good in the SOCOM.

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Ahhh... memories... (good stuff)...Have you considered running a buffer with it ?http://www.fulton-armory.com/buffertech.htm.... I don't use them, but it might help.

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Some of the Hirtenberger I have fired through my rifles.... All were good shooting military surplus ammunition...

Austria, '75, [ HP ], Berdan, three star crimp with dark green primer sealant. Other HS's H
Austria, '78, [ HP ], Berdan, three star crimp with no primer sealant visible.
Austria, '79, [ *79* ], Boxer, three star crimp with light green primer sealant.
Austria, '80, [ *80* ], Boxer, three star crimp with light green primer sealant.

See the whole listing I have tested right here......

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I went to the sticky that you posted. I really appreciate the research and effort that you put into it, but I didn't see anything that would indicate whether or not this Hirtenberger ammo had corrosive or non-corrosive primers and that was the main point of my inquiry. Did I miss something that I should have noticed on your link?

In the meantime, I also have about 2K of empty Berdan primed brass cases, obviously pull-downs as evidenced by some remnants of black sealer still in the necks. According to your link it appears to be Chilean. Here's what the headstamp looks like (I have no photo capabilities at this time) -

F located at 6 o'clock
41 located at 12 o'clock
NATO cross located at 9 o'clock
78 located at 3 o'clock

Primer pockets are staked in three places, green sealant is evident.

Are these cases corrosive primed? I realize that they'll never make it as components for target shooting but I'd like to make up some casual shooting loads with these cases if their primers are non-corrosive. I just don't want to run corrosive stuff through my prized LRB

And guys, many thanks for your answers so far

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XXIV Corps,
I went to the sticky that you posted. I really appreciate the research and effort that you put into it, but I didn't see anything that would indicate whether or not this Hirtenberger ammo had corrosive or non-corrosive primers and that was the main point of my inquiry. Did I miss something that I should have noticed on your link? Sorry Sherlock308, I keep corrosive military surplus ammunition away from my rifles...

In the meantime, I also have about 2K of empty Berdan primed brass cases, obviously pull-downs as evidenced by some remnants of black sealer still in the necks. According to your link it appears to be Chilean. Here's what the headstamp looks like (I have no photo capabilities at this time) - The description tells all... Your correct.

F located at 6 o'clock
41 located at 12 o'clock
NATO cross located at 9 o'clock
78 located at 3 o'clock

Primer pockets are staked in three places, green sealant is evident.

Are these cases corrosive primed? I realize that they'll never make it as components for target shooting but I'd like to make up some casual shooting loads with these cases if their primers are non-corrosive. I just don't want to run corrosive stuff through my prized LRB

And guys, many thanks for your answers so far
The only counties in the world that used corrosive primers were the Soviet/Blocks and they used them well into the 90's.

The 7.62x51mm NATO round started off with non-corrosive primers. I hope that answer your questions.

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Many, many thanks for your quick response. I really appreciate it. I learned something that was new (at least it was to me) today, and that's always a good thing. Not only did you provide concise information but it was just what I wanted to hear. That doesn't happen all the time

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There is one western country that loaded corrosive 7.62X51, France. The cases have a funky ring around the primer and a purplish sealant, and use a cupro nickel projectile. I still have a couple of 100 left on machine gun belts, this for when I am completely out of all other ammo and it is the only thing left..

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There is one western country that loaded corrosive 7.62X51, France. The cases have a funky ring around the primer and a purplish sealant, and use a cupro nickel projectile. I still have a couple of 100 left on machine gun belts, this for when I am completely out of all other ammo and it is the only thing left..
Thanks hth, but I have never tracked down any of their military surplus ammunition to test out on the firing line out to 560 yds yet. I do know that Trung Si has the brass cases. He's not one to fire corrosive ammunition. I have seen pictures of the French headstamps before here from him.

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Sherlock308! Again, none of the Hirtenberger has Corrosive Primers, below are the the two Headstamps that I have shot, the one on the Left is Boxer Primed and pretty Hot( I chronograped it at 2935 Aver.) it is pretty accurate, the one on the Right is Berdan Pimed and a lot Milder, but still Highly Accurate! The one that Locutus of Borg showed is also Boxer Primed and pretty Hot!



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Sherlock308! Again, none of the Hirtenberger has Corrosive Primers, below are the the two Headstamps that I have shot, the one on the Left is Boxer Primed and pretty Hot( I chronograped it at 2935 Aver.) it is pretty accurate, the one on the Right is Berdan Pimed and a lot Milder, but still Highly Accurate! The one that Locutus of Borg showed is also Boxer Primed and pretty Hot!


Thank you, Trung Si.
My Hirt ammo looks just like the one on the right in your photo, but it's dated 79. I went out yesterday PM and braved the cold (27F but sunny & clear) and shot some of it over my Oehler35. Average velocity read 2767, so it's not TOO hot for my LRB. I was shivering so I couldn't tell very much about accuracy but I won't expect a heck of a lot - the sd was 48, but what more could I expect from mil-surp. It could be a lot worse than that.

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It is Berdan Primed (not Hot, just right) and accurate, Congrats!

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