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7.62x51, 1993 Venezuelan, CAVIM headstamp, Boxer primed ADVICE NEEDED!!

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM   #1
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7.62x51, 1993 Venezuelan, CAVIM headstamp, Boxer primed ADVICE NEEDED!!

How will this shoot through my M1A. Any help would be appreciated as I have a chance to purchase some but I have no experience with it. Thank you in advance , Mike

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM   #2
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I shot a bunch of it back in the day. Would do so again, but it is a bit "tarry".

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How will this shoot through my M1A Just fine, it's NATO spec.'ed military surplus ammunition. Any help would be appreciated as I have a chance to purchase some but I have no experience with it. Thank you in advance , Mike
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The best of the best scores with different older military surplus ammunition.

1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2. M118SB Lake City from 1963, 200-10X.
3, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
4, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
5, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 199-10X.
6, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
7, M852 Lake City from 1985, 198-13X.
8, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
9, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-9X.
10, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-7X
11, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
12, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
13, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
14, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
15, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
16, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
17, German MEN 41, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
18, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
19, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
20, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
21, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
22, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
23, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
24, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
25, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
26, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X <<<<<.
27, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
28, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
29, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
30, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
31, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
32, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
33, Pakistan military surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.
34, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X.

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Funny you ask. I still have some from my Y2K stash, I'm shooting it now, it will hit what you aim at. Its a bit dirty.

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I like CAVIM ammo and actively look for it when attending gun shows.

I've shot quite a bit of 91 - 93 dated CAVIM - at least 1,200 rounds - and it always goes bang and shoots straight in my Springfield M1A. I've never had a round not fire or eject.

It's military grade and boxer primed so you can reload it - if components ever become available - lol!

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Thank you for all the replies I appreciate it. Mike

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Old November 24th, 2009, 05:11 PM   #7
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Shoots dirty, has erratic accuracy, the Brass is Hard and difficult to work with!

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Shoots dirty, has erratic accuracy, the Brass is Hard and difficult to work with!

+1 Trung Si. Bought 500rds about 10yrs ago. SAI also does not recommed it due to your comments. Also has a wide range of COAL. Have not tried to reload it as I have an abundance of Litho that I use for reloading. My last of the Cavim will be used for "last ditch" or trading material wshtf. Because it is so dirty, it is not recommended for HK93 type rifles as it fills the chamber flutes w/crud. It does go bang though. dozier

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It is very reloadable, very tough cases, does not stretch very much.


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Old November 26th, 2009, 03:42 AM   #10
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Good to know. I've got a few K's of this in the back of my stash that I bought about 10 years ago for cheap.

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I did not buy CAVIM 93, I had 1000 rounds of CAVIM 90.

The best thing you can do is shoot the stuff up and save the brass. The brass was excellent. The bullets are awful and group size will not be good.

I chronographed the stuff in a Douglas barreled M1a and recorded velocities near 2900 fps. After reading the average, I decided I was not going to shoot any more of that stuff in my M1a's. With a 150 grain bullet, I want velocities with an average around 2700 fps. Or less.

As much as I love my M1a, it does not have an adjustable gas system. With ammo of this velocity I am slamming and banging the action more than I care.

I shot the stuff up in a FAL because it has an adjustable gas system. I adjusted the gas system to where it would just latch on an empty magazine, then added a click.

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150 gr CAVIM 90
T =+ 65-70 8-Oct-01

Ave Vel = 2893
Std Dev = 9
ES = 28
Low = 2879
High = 2907
N = 10

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I too have chronoed the Cavim 93 thru my Bush Rifle w/18" bbl. I too got over 2,850 fps on a lot of the readings. I could feel the additional recoil and know that shooting a bunce of it can't be good for the gun. I would think it would be alright in a bolt gun, or a M1A set up for the heavier weight bullets. It just to inconsistent an ammo for me. One thing it will do, if you need to fire a fouling shot, it will do that. It fouls up everything. As I'm hearing that the brass is good to reload, I just might pull the bullets, dump the powder, replace w/a proper charge of IMR 4895, and reseat the bullet. dozier

PS: When i bought this stuff in the mid-90s, I got it for $3.12 for a20rd box. Cheapest brass I bought lately.

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