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November 8th, 2009, 04:51 PM
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#1 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: albany, ny
Posts: 141
|  Tz - 80
guys
went to range with scout rifle. shooting some TZ 80 ammo. two rounds had 1/8 inch splits in side of case, but the third round split from the primer pocket up to about 1/2 inch. the floorplate blew off dumping the ammo on the table. Yes, i was wearing safety glasses, thank God, the right lense was impacted with powder/brass . I got this ammo in a trade deal from a member here. U guys heard of this happening before.
The box is marked: 20 Cartridges cal. 7.62mm
BALL
Lot: 14 - 80
Shoot 60 more rounds after this with no problem.
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November 8th, 2009, 05:33 PM
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#2 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas
Posts: 4,057
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I have heard that Song now for a couple of Years or maybe more, I had the chance to buy 500 Rounds of Israeli Ammo for $ 90, loose with mixed Headstamps, some TZ, some IMI and some with Hebrew Characters, I passed on the Deal because of what I had heard Here on this Board!
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November 8th, 2009, 05:50 PM
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#3 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westfield Ma.
Posts: 152
| Tz - 80
Hi Sante,
Bought 100 rounds this summer at a good price, First 20 rounds = 3 failure to fire and 2 reptured cases. Dumped the rest in the oil bin. Glad your not hurt!
Semper fi
PS: mailed your stuff on Friday.
Bill 
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November 8th, 2009, 06:41 PM
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#4 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW
Posts: 536
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Sadly yes, I have heard of problems with TZ 80 surplus. (I have 1K of it in OEM boxes and fifty cal can) To me, It is not worth the risk of a ka-boom in my rifle.
The issues I've heard of are exactly like the ones you experienced.
I'd take it apart, and salvage what you can. Cut your losses.
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November 8th, 2009, 07:12 PM
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#5 | | Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico, USA
Posts: 4,709
| Research, the only good game in town anymore......
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Originally Posted by smahan2  guys
went to range with scout rifle. shooting some TZ 80 ammo. two rounds had 1/8 inch splits in side of case, but the third round split from the primer pocket up to about 1/2 inch. the floorplate blew off dumping the ammo on the table. Yes, i was wearing safety glasses, thank God, the right lense was impacted with powder/brass . | Yes smahan2,
This has come up more than once in the past. We are all happy to hear than you didn't get hurt with the Israeli surplus ammunition.
I have been testing older Israeli military surplus ammunition from 1970-1976 right now. I check all rounds for issues before I take anything to the rifle range to fire.
Israel, '74, [ú ö], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant visible. month-year
Israel, '75, [ú ö], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant visible.
Israel, '76, [ú ö], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant visible.
As I have noted before Israeli/Hebrew symbols don't show up here....
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November 8th, 2009, 07:38 PM
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#6 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 371
| Tz 80
Few yrs ago I had a sealed 500rd can of 20rd boxes of this TZ80 ,shot it all up with no issues
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November 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM
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#7 | | Master Gunner
Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Windsor, Colorado
Posts: 887
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I just got shooting this headstamp brass for the second time, and loaded for the third firing. I wasn't aware of the problems with this brass, I just thought it was cool cause it was boxer primed for once. Scary.... I'm gonna pull the loads and chuck the brass. Good thing it is only 20 rounds. And I didn't have any malfunctions or case explosions.
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November 9th, 2009, 06:34 AM
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#8 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 663
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There have been many reports about TZ-80 on different forums....the consensus seems to be that its caused by defective brass, not overloads. I wouldn't shoot it in a rifle I care about......which would be all of 'em! 
Eagle 1
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November 12th, 2009, 08:41 PM
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#9 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: gods country
Posts: 30
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Hey guys, I just saw this thread and I bought a 500 round can about 10-12 years ago and have about 240 rounds left. I was wondering if the bad rounds were from the bulk boxed stuff? I have shot half of them in a NM M1A with no problems what so ever. Just a thought mine came in OEM boxs not loose. I also have reloaded every round and shot some of them with no issues.
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November 13th, 2009, 06:22 AM
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#10 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW
Posts: 536
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Originally Posted by boss Hey guys, I just saw this thread and I bought a 500 round can about 10-12 years ago and have about 240 rounds left. I was wondering if the bad rounds were from the bulk boxed stuff? I have shot half of them in a NM M1A with no problems what so ever. Just a thought mine came in OEM boxs not loose. I also have reloaded every round and shot some of them with no issues. | Do you happen to know what the "Lot" numbers are on your can? (or any other marks)
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November 16th, 2009, 01:06 PM
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#11 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: gods country
Posts: 30
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Yes I do, can says 500 cartridges cal 7.62mm ball lot:11-80. Light tan boxes say the exact same thing. If I remember right it was supposed to be match grade bullet, but nothing on the box or can says so. This is some of the most accurate surplus ammo I have shot through my gun. Better than GGG, Calvin and South Afican by alot.
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November 20th, 2009, 03:41 AM
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#12 | | Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SoMD
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Greetings, I'm an FNG to the forum. I recently picked up a sealed 500 rd can of TZ-80 lot 7-80, 20 round OEM boxes. It looks pristine. I've never shot Israeli ammo before so I did a little google-fu and came across the site. Glad I checked here before I sent any downrange. At least I'm not out that much $, it came as part of a large ammo consignment that included 2000 rds of Q3130. I may still test fire a few rounds through my IDF 7.62 mauser, locked down in the bench with a remote trigger. The mauser action seems damn near Nuke proof. Any thoughts?
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November 20th, 2009, 05:30 AM
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#13 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: gods country
Posts: 30
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Dont think you will have much trouble with that mauser, like I said I have shot about 250 rounds with no trouble at all, knock on wood. 
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November 24th, 2009, 07:18 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 21
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I have have been shooting some from lot# 9-80. It came in 20rd boxes in a 500rd can. I have not had any problems, but I have thought it was kind'a hot compared to other m80. I first used it in my M1a and stopped because it felt like the rifle was recoiling much harder than with other brands. Then I tried it in an FAL and it handles it no problem. Shoots pretty good in the FAL to.
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November 25th, 2009, 12:19 PM
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#15 | | Grunt
Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NW
Posts: 112
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Originally Posted by granite1 I have have been shooting some from lot# 9-80...I have not had any problems, but I have thought it was kind'a hot compared to other m80. I first used it in my M1a and stopped because it felt like the rifle was recoiling much harder than with other brands..... | I have 1k rounds from lot # 5-80 and shot 100 awhile ago. I too thought it was pretty hot. Recoil was pretty hard in comparison to the Federal or Remington stuff of similar weight.
I had no problems with the ruptured cases or primers but don't want to punish my queen.
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