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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #121
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The question was asked earlier in this thread about OFV 02 with no reply. Has anyone had any experience or knowledge with this date? I have had bad experiences with the earlier dates and am hesitant to use any 02 until I learn more about it. Thanks much.
The only stuff that has been proven reliable is the 70s manufactured stuff. During the 70s the ammo production was supervised by the British. I still have a few hundred rounds of the 70s stuff and it is not the most accurate but it all goes bang. I've shot over 1k of the 70s stuff with out issue. I reloaded the cases up to 5 times and it is good brass.


I personally would not use the 02 stuff. From what I understand that stuff is crap as well. Haven't heard any good feedback on the 2000s.


I've owned a couple K of the 90s junk and I never shot it. You could tell just by how the bullets were seated at drastically different lengths that I knew QC was a thing of the past.

I'd use at your own risk.


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The only stuff that has been proven reliable is the 70s manufactured stuff. During the 70s the ammo production was supervised by the British. I still have a few hundred rounds of the 70s stuff and it is not the most accurate but it all goes bang. I've shot over 1k of the 70s stuff with out issue. I reloaded the cases up to 5 times and it is good brass.


I personally would not use the 02 stuff. From what I understand that stuff is crap as well. Haven't heard any good feedback on the 2000s.


I've owned a couple K of the 90s junk and I never shot it. You could tell just by how the bullets were seated at drastically different lengths that I knew QC was a thing of the past.

I'd use at your own risk.
+100% agreement with you brycom1.


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Old January 11th, 2015, 07:59 PM   #123
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I had 10+ k of the 90's Indian stuff and ran into some rim thickness issues and folded necks etc. about 1% was bad..... I ran them all trough the T slot of a 1919 bolt for a FA 1919a4 then dropped them all in a chamber gauge then linked and shot all ran 100%

the rejects that had only rim thickness issues checked in chamber gauge and all fired in a SAI m1a just fine and then just scraped the brass. Just my two cents from playing with it.

I did get a case of some earlier stuff from a buddy that KABOOMED a fn Fal and we shot it all trough the 1919 with no issues IMHO bolt mass had much to do with that.

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Old April 30th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #124
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Ha ha, I'll never forget finding this stuff at a lgs about ten years ago... $1.79/per ten pack! The stuff came in a dirty clear plastic wrapper. I remember having to wash the cartridges in dish detergent they were so dusty & dirty.

Anyway, I loaded up a ten round mag, snapped it into my M1A, I think I got as far a the third round before I discovered that something just was not right. If memory serves, the gun didn't go into battery. I paused a minute, popped the mag, waited another minute and opened the action... ball powder all over the ground... you know the rest. I then began looking at the seven remaining cartridges more closely, what I found was about three of the seven had out of spec neck tension... I could wiggle the M80 tips from side to side.
Enough of those for, at the very least, the day.

So I get home and decide to pull em all down in order to find out what the he11 I could find. In the ball powder lot I found random amounts of pebbles measuring not larger than, say, 0.070 in size. Also a fine sandy dust was found in the powder mix. Out to the flowerbed I go.

Now I was left with 197 ea. ''OFV '98 7.62 M-80 brass as well as 197 M-80 tips..

I recall finding it strange how this so called 'M-80' wasn't head stamped with the NATO cross symbol brass.
I recall researching about whether the primers could have been corrosive... I 'learned' they were not, but didn't take any chances and out they came. Now I was left with only cases and tips.

So, I tumbled and resized the cases... they actually look like a pretty decent quality of brass... I'm holding a case at this very moment. From the 8 specimens I hold at this moment, The flash appears almost drilled from the exterior... nice and centered too. The case weights are variable to say the least registering between 11.6 - 12.4 grams after the 2.00'' trim.

Don't recall if the tips were magnetic or not, but they were oxidized to the point where, even after a bath in a solution of phosphoric and water and a time lengthy tumbling in walnut, they sure weren't going to be shot out of any of my rifles. nogo.

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Old June 19th, 2015, 06:32 PM   #125
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Not looking for an argument, but a friend had one of the CAI imported French 49/56 rifles they modded to 7.62.

The only ammo that would function in his rifle was Indian 90s dated--

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Sounds like the bad 303 british ammo the pakistans were making. It was bad mostly because they did not like the empire and were sabotaging the ammo. I guess it's a similar story for the indian.

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Both links above revert to the HugeDomains.com web site for sale site. My only encounter with Indian 7.62 was 10 -15 years ago in my 1919A4. The extractor grove was not cut deeply enough some rounds and I had to drive live rounds off the bolt face when they locked the gun up. Not a happy camper, I assure you. Never had a hangfire or over-pressure load, though.

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Old January 28th, 2016, 04:44 AM   #129
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There has been a alert on this Indian ammo along with 1958 German 30-06 ammo (OJ 58, Box is OJP 1958, S Patronen-GM1) for years. I am VERY picker about where I buy surplus ammo. Even CMP ammo can have storage issues so word to the wise Inspect ammo, Older ammo can be questionable.

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I know this thread is older than dirt, but I have some experience with OFV rounds. Bought 2K rounds of OFV M80 86 in the mid 90's and they sat for a few years, partly because I was worried about only paying $100 per 1K rounds. Then I read about the kabooms. I bought a collet puller and pulled 100 rounds apart. several of those rounds had propellant very different than the others, small flakes rather than extrusions. I dumped the flake powder and wet tumbled the primed brass, then reloaded them with new primers and had no problems. The extruded stuff got reassembled as-is and shot with no problems. I still have some of it that I never pulled apart. I'll get around to it one day, but the tar sealant puts me off.

I remember that I weighed the bullets after cleaning and there wasn't much consistency. The propellant weight was inconsistent, but a lot of it stuck to the tar sealant in the case, adding error. I tried grouping similar weight bullets when I resat them and accuracy was still not good (4"+). They did go bang every time.

I have full length resized and reloaded a group of 250 brass 2 times and haven't had any issues. Federal primers, 150 grain milsurp pulls and 41 grains IMR4895 give me around 2-3" at 100 yards through an old FAL. Sue me I'm no marksman. Makes good fun stuff but too labor intensive.

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I bought 400 rounds of the 1974 Indian 7.62 five years ago. Down to about 100 rounds now. It is a little hot, And I shoot it only when I need more brass for reloading. It is good brass. I have not had any issues with it. It was in machine gun links when I bought it though.

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I've shot a lot of the 70's stuff with no problem as well. Still have a couple of ammo cans full. I shot it thru my Ishtapor Enfield. Never through my M1A

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