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Old December 7th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #76
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Old December 13th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #77
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:( OFV and KF762 usually dated in the 90s! :evil:

Just last week I was going thru the brass I picked up after shooting and came across a KF 762B 93 casing. Sure hope it wasn't in the ammo I was shooting (mine was all boxed, so I think I'm safe), but SOMEBODY shot it! So it is still out there in circulation.
I really would prefer not to have to go through every single case before firing, but I guess that's better than being blind or dead.


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Old December 18th, 2008, 05:10 PM   #78
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I have small amount of ammo head stamped m80 73 ofv 7.62.
it is in pouches and on 5 round stripper clips. don't know how long that i've had it and have gone through about half of the 500 i got originally. ran some through my century arms l1a1 sporter and the poly tech 14 and don't remember any problems with it. don't know if i want to use it in the m1a or not. may put it back on the back self for last resort ammo.
thanks for the comments on the west german ammo question earlier!!!!
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Old February 15th, 2009, 07:47 PM   #80
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Use it ? Or toss it??

After turningin my Patrol Rifle M-14 in last year when I retired I've been M1A poor. Fixed that yesterday by buying a std SA
model with walnut stock and NM barrel.

I'd rat holed a mess of 7.62x51 ammo the past few years. Unfortunately 500 rds of it is ; OFV 7.62 M80 86

I've also got 500+ of; FNM 92-11 L2A1 + ( NATO circle w/+)

The FNM is clean, and I have shot a few hundred rds in my old GI M-14 and didn't experience any problems.

Any thoughts on the Indian OFV ammo??

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Old February 15th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #81
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The only Indian I have experience with is the OFV 74 or 75. From all the research I have done on this I would only shoot the 70's vintage stuff myself. It seems that in the early 80's the British ceased overseeing the ammo production and quality went to crap. I have not been able to track down a definitive for when the British stopped oversight. But the stuff I hear the most horror stories is 90's production that came in clear plastic sleeves. I have walked away from plenty of this stuff at gun shows

As for what I have shot, I inspect every round that goes into a magazine. I also shoot it with the gas system closed as the stuff is pretty damn dirty and I hate having to clean the gas system that often and it makes policing brass much easier. I have not had a failure to go Bang in over 600 rounds. I was also able to go 7 for 10 on a metal ram at 400yds with this ammo, so accuracy is decent. But this is all 74 and 75 headstamps.

I will also tell you I had a bolt fail in my Socom while shooting it, but there was ZERO indication that the failure had to do with the ammo. Inspection of the bolt showed what looked like an inclusion in the metal at the start of the fracture. My Father also had his bolt fail while cycling, while shooting OFV, but once again there was ZERO indication of a problem with the ammo (in fact he couldn't identify which of the spent cases was the last fired). The failure was due to rotational stress from the unlocking of the bolt and appeared to be gradual (That rifle had shot primarily LC and South African). SAI fixed both rifles under warranty. I have had enough people blame these failures on the ammo, but there is just no evidence of that.

If you are worried about shooting it, I would say unload it on somebody that wants to shoot it out of a bolt gun or pull it down for components and reload it. If you do shoot it, thoroughly inspect every round before shooting it and shoot it with the gas system turned off.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #82
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7.62 m-80 1975 o.f.v.

i picked up a bandeleer at a gun show today..only bought 50 rnds for 30.00...the bandeleers had a small copper tie wire over each pocket.....

should i not fire this stuff??and how should i inspect it? or better yet what should i look for on the ammo?

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Please see my post above for my experiences. Your ammo is packaged the same as mine.

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Old April 30th, 2009, 07:41 AM   #84
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I have a FULL BRAND NEW AMMO CAN OF INDIAN AMMO that I will give away FREE to anyone who wants it. Here is the story....A friend gave me the can years ago when we got our M1A's, and I never got around to shooting it. I was looking at it recently, and compared it to the list here, and found out it is 1995 production. Headstamp reads....OFV 95 7.62 M80. I am NOT going to shoot this in my Loaded. I love my M1A and I am not going to subject it to possible damage. Call me paranoid, I don't care, but if anyone wants to shoot it, it's theirs. Like I said I got it for FREE, so I'm not looking for any money. I am willing to do a face to face within reasonable driving distance if so desired. In addition the rounds are packed loosely in clear plastic bags with writing on the bag that reads "10 RD 7.62X51MM NATO BALL MFG.IN INDIA". The writing on the can reads...600 cartridges 7.62 147 grain. Contact me if you want it.

Ammo is gone to a friend some time ago. Thanks Scott.


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Old May 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM   #85
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About 5 years ago, i bought 12 cans (640 rounds each @ $50 per can) with the label "UN 6012 - 7.62 mm NATO Ball M80" on the can. The clear (stiff) plastic 10 round pouches are labled "10 RD 7.62 x 51mm NATO BALL MFG. IN INDIA" and the headstamp reads "7.62B KF 92". My Springfield loves this stuff. And only 1 squib load in 8.5 cans.

Having trouble locating source/year of this ammo. Any help would be hot.

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new to the platform, but not the caliber. i knew indian had a reputation as bottom of the barrel, but that is pretty scary. thanks for the link.

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About 5 years ago, i bought 12 cans (640 rounds each @ $50 per can) with the label "UN 6012 - 7.62 mm NATO Ball M80" on the can. The clear (stiff) plastic 10 round pouches are labled "10 RD 7.62 x 51mm NATO BALL MFG. IN INDIA" and the headstamp reads "7.62B KF 92". My Springfield loves this stuff. And only 1 squib load in 8.5 cans.

Having trouble locating source/year of this ammo. Any help would be hot.
The headstamp you quoted would indicate 1992 I think.

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new to the platform, but not the caliber. i knew indian had a reputation as bottom of the barrel, but that is pretty scary. thanks for the link.

-matt
Only certain years and lots were involved, apparently. The worst from my reading of all the posts I've seen was around 1980, when the Brits handed over QC to the Indians. I don't know how long it lasted, but some rounds looked fine and had improper charges, others looked like floor sweepings after an industrial accident: crunched cases, squashed necks from misaligned bullets during seating, you name it. I suspect by the mid 80s things settled down, and 1992 looks like a verified good year if your experience is typical.

I've never bought the stuff, personally.

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Old July 26th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #88
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Indian 7.62?

Anybody have any documented problems with '97 or '98 production, not just hearsay?
And is all this just a tempest in a teapot because someone had a poorly maintained/defective rifle, or just one negative ammo experience?(how many millions of rds. are made a year)
All the posts seem to lead back to nowhere............
I believe in safety, but you would think even the Indian Dum-Dum Arsenal(yes, that is it's name) would find out and correct any problems.
Level headed thoughts would be welcome, not just "the sky is falling"

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Anybody have any documented problems with '97 or '98 production, not just hearsay?
And is all this just a tempest in a teapot because someone had a poorly maintained/defective rifle, or just one negative ammo experience?(how many millions of rds. are made a year)
All the posts seem to lead back to nowhere............
I believe in safety, but you would think even the Indian Dum-Dum Arsenal(yes, that is it's name) would find out and correct any problems.
Level headed thoughts would be welcome, not just "the sky is falling"
A friend gave me 200 rounds of Indian 7.62x51 just after I got my M1A. It came loose packed, no corrosion, nicks or scratches. I didn't measure the overall length, but they all appear to be relatively the same length when placed at attention on my kitchen table. But...I will not fire the ammo in an autoloader, maybe in a bolt gun. They just don't look quite right.
The necks were not trimmed straight. They are wavy and were not deburred. The brass is dull and will not stay shiney over night.
I linked the stuff together and use it as a show peice.

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Indian production 7.62

Finally spent several hours researching "OFV" Indian ammo.
Conclusion: '70's ok, 90's not ok.
"OFV" is a state run munitions and small arms conglomerate that has no competition, hence quality control is zilch, nada,
a big, fat zero. If you go on a site called "Indiansforguns"
and read some of their comments and talk to some of them, you get the real picture. (and learn how lucky we are in relation to firearms and ammo).
Suffice it to say a lot of "surplus" Indian ammo is, in all actuality, ammo that was "rejected" by the military and police for reasons I could not find. I was told that the "OFV" management is not forthcoming in giving out info either.
SO, I'm sitting on 432 rds. of '97&'98 that I'll pull apart as the brass is supposed to be ok, just everything else fubar'd
"out of round bullets" "questionable primers" "dirty powders"
Lesson learned, no NATO cross on case(or known source), no shoot. I like my polytech and face&hands the way they are.

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