This is a discussion on Indian ammo warning - read this!!!! within the Ammunition forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; OK i have shot many types of ammo in my weapons -i seen non-cip rated ammo is a big no-no -yes that means some us ...
OK i have shot many types of ammo in my weapons -i seen non-cip rated ammo is a big no-no -yes that means some us made ammo will never see my weapons too.. the bad Indian ammo was sold by the Indian state arsenal for ammo parts not usable ammo and sold here by some greedy and evil people with money at heart !
I am a recent proud purchaser of a SOCOM II. Pictures to be posted soon, as well as range and target pictures from Roush Lake Range in huntington indiana.
Are there other brands/ types of ammo...surplus or commercial that we need to stay away from.
I have loved range time since basic training, and I plan on expending plenty on terminal leave.
These are the good ones to use and South African is one of them also... Plus welcome on board SAsocom2 .
1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A. 2, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
3, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
4, M852 Lake City from 1985, 198-13X. 5, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-9X. 6, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X. 7, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X. 8, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 197-10X. 9, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X. 10, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X. 11, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X. 12, German DM 41, surplus from 1960, 197-6X. 13, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X. 14, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X. 15, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 196-8X. 16, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X. 17, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X. 18, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X. 19, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X. 20, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X. 21, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X. 22, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X. 23, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X. 24, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X. 25, Belgium surplus from 1977, 189-7X. 26, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X. 27, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X. 28, Pakistan military surplus from 1980. Score of 180-0X only.
Enjoy your range time and post often on the board, as I do here also.
Here is my .02 on the Indian issue. I ran OFV 86 M80 through my SOCOM 16 and the first six was fine, but the seventh FTF and I removed the mag, ejected the casing and ran a rod through the barrel. I foound that the bullet was still in the chamber when the rifle did not fire and I had to take it to a gunmith I know.
In hindsight, I should have not bought the 400 rounds in loose cans for $200. I will not trust a certain seller at the gun show circit where I live. The bullets do not sit consistantly in the casing and the lips on the casings are not uniform.
Anyone know who I can give the ammo to for proper disposal since I will never trust Indian ever again and it is a hazard in my opinion. It should never be fired.
Village, the powder makes excellent fertilizer. My mother uses it on her plants. The bullets can be melted down, use the lead for molding bullets, sell the jackets and cases as scrap. Pop the primers and smash the cases with a hammer so some unscrupulous scrap dealer doesn't resell it to some unknowing shooter. At least you can recoup some of your money. Good luck, dave
I ran about 60 rounds through both of my Ishapore 2As without any problems. Another 40 through my M14 and everything was ok. All fed, fired, and ejected without a hitch. No signs of excessive pressure.
And, they were more accurate than the PMC ammo that I was also using.
I also have shot the Indian, 1974 variety, in bandoleers with the small copper wire sealing the pocket. It shoots fine out of my M1A Socom and my Cetme. I do remove them from the bandoleers way ahead of time and inspect each cartridge.
I seem to remember on another forum,(War Rifles) someone said the older 70's Indian was OK because the British were still somewhat in control and there was much better QC. The loose ammo in the ammo cans from the 90"s is suspect.
I would not shoot any suspect ammo, don't risk your gun or you health!
I have several cans of OFV 75. I have had a few that failed to fire, and a few that failed to eject out of a couple of hundred I have loaded in my SOCOM-16. Seems to be working fine. I inspect every round before loading but the socom gobbles 'em up fine.
Can somebody let me know where to go for data on case stampings? Got two I need info on: clockwise: NA F TO 76 and FNM 81-64 opposite a small circle with a plus sign in it (NATO cross). thanks
First of all usmcvet, I'm sorry I didn't find your question up here in the Indian section of the Ammo Bunker earlier.
Alright the first one reads F NATO 76 = It's either from France or the Frankfort Arsenal USA, manufactured in 1976. You can tell which country it's from by seeing if it's Boxer or Berdan primed. Both still made some fine military surplus ammunition.
The 2nd one reads FNM 81-64 with NATO cross = Portuguese, '81, [ FNM ], Berdan, three star crimp with no primer sealant visible, great shooting military surplus ammunition.
There are two "Stricky" below that can help you track down your headstamp questions. I like this one the best....